Trump

[HeyYou]

i recommend you just to read and understand instead of concentrating to take my words out of context. you will never understand as long as you ignore valuable information, science and education.

this debate is not about who you vote it is about trump. nobody forces you talk about who you vote. but if you do you should know at least why. all that you show is that you are unable talk seriously about important content leading to this decision and that you ignore basic major values. there is nothing more to explain about that and there is no drama at all for me. it is just sad and maybe a drama for your nation if people do not know anything about that or just ignore the importance and if trump somehow gets reelected and continues with his soap opera the only good thing if he really gets reelected is that he will continue to prove who he is. i don't need that prove and i guess most americans do not need this but apparently you.

if you still try to tell me that all u.s. presidents in the last decades acted and behaved like trump i ask you seriously: where have you been in the last decades ? on the north pole frozen in ice ? somebody wiped out your brain ? i don't know. in my opinion you are just ignorant or at least severely influenced by ignorant people. this is sad but it is no drama. in one point you are right. my opinion means nothing. thanks god the same applies to yours :wink:

to compare trump and his behavior with other presidents and to imply they acted on the same level or the same way is a discreditation and an insult against the other presidents.

the day by day trump corona soap opera is such a miserable handling of responsibility and unprecedented - while thousands of people die day by day - do you really need more to understand the severity of the problem with trump as president?

 

another good news: the proven falsehood spreader QANON accounts will be deleted from instagram and facebook. it is a shame how badly misguided and misinformed some people are from that and that people who should know it better misuse these platforms to misguide more simple minded people. but the real shame is that a president trump support such crap instead of distancing from such crude conspiracy.

Nope. Once again, you are confused. I have tried many times to explain it to you, but, you just don't seem to be able to grasp the concept. You are concentrating on the MAN, I am focused on his position. (politically) I am NOT voting for a PERSON, I am voting on a political platform. If it wasn't Trump, it would be some other Republican. As Trump is the only republican running, I will vote for him.

[xrayy]

so - i am confused ? i am concentrating on the most important job in the u.s. - to be president of the u.s., and as far as i know current president is trump - right ? and so the the debate is about trump and not biden or harris or clinton. if trump would not be president but just be a humble mediocre deal maker i'm sure this kind of debate would be not existing. so - the only one who seem severely confused is you.

for me this debate (until 3rd of nov) is about trump as the man who tries to be president but obviously fails miserably proven day by day . there are still some clowns and conspracists around who think it is a good idea to support an overwhelmed clueless man like trump to enlarge an unbelievably chaotic period with this man as president for another 4 years. because of these people i thought that i should help them and support them with some helpful information. i learned that these people are as intelligent as trump and know already all and how to destroy their country and are keen to behave ignorant,free of constructive arguments and ready to trample the most important values of humanity and social life with their feet just for a man like trump. they seem to love to defend a cheater, a lyer, and a constpiracist and a raciist supporter.

i gave up on this task and you can be sure - with the 3rd of nov this debate and trump as a president will be history - at least for me. i do not have to spend my life in this chaos - you will have to!

i hope and i'm pretty sure that intelligent and educated people know their responsibilty and that it is more important to save a nation and it's values instead of a chaotic or even not existing political agenda of some corrupt reps.

as i said - the honest and value driven reps will have their comeback but if they chose trump as their vehicle i promise you that they will get lost!

[HeyYou]

so - i am confused ? i am concentrating on the most important job in the u.s. - to be president of the u.s., and as far as i know current president is trump - right ? and so the the debate is about trump and not biden or harris or clinton. if trump would not be president but just be a humble mediocre deal maker i'm sure this kind of debate would be not existing. so - the only one who seem severely confused is you.

for me this debate (until 3rd of nov) is about trump as the man who tries to be president but obviously fails miserably proven day by day . there are still some clowns and conspracists around who think it is a good idea to support an overwhelmed clueless man like trump to enlarge an unbelievably chaotic period with this man as president for another 4 years. because of these people i thought that i should help them and support them with some helpful information. i learned that these people are as intelligent as trump and know already all and how to destroy their country and are keen to behave ignorant,free of constructive arguments and ready to trample the most important values of humanity and social life with their feet just for a man like trump. they seem to love to defend a cheater, a lyer, and a constpiracist and a raciist supporter.

i gave up on this task and you can be sure - with the 3rd of nov this debate and trump as a president will be history - at least for me. i do not have to spend my life in this chaos - you will have to!

i hope and i'm pretty sure that intelligent and educated people know their responsibilty and that it is more important to save a nation and it's values instead of a chaotic or even not existing political agenda of some corrupt reps.

as i said - the honest and value driven reps will have their comeback but if they chose trump as their vehicle i promise you that they will get lost!

Are you this much of an idiot in your real life as well?

 

1. You don't live here, so, you don't have any idea what things are actually like here.

2. You don't live here, so, your opinion on our leader simply does not matter.

3. For all intents and purposes, Trump is doing at least an adequate job. Under the circumstances, I really don't think we can expect much more.

4. Trump is an idiot. Granted. However, personality flaws aside, he is STILL doing an at least adequate job of leading the country.

5. More importantly, Trump is leading the country in a direction that a fair few us actually want to see it go. Unlike what the dems are espousing..... Very few people I have spoken with personally, right here in the US of A, actually support ANYTHING the dems are proposing.

6. Trump is merely the president. He doesn't make any laws. He gets a choice of whether to sign what comes across his desk from the LEGISLATIVE BRANCH of our government, or not. Only then does it become law. He can't simply wave his magic pen, and make anything happen at all. He is accountable to congress.

7. If we want to see our country move in the direction the republicans are proposing, we have to vote republican. It simply doesn't matter whose name is on the ballot, if the they have the "R" after their name, that's who you vote for. As there is only going to be ONE choice with the "R", guess who you vote for????

 

So, in the end, you can write your wall of text, degrading and insulting Mr. Trump all you want, and it won't change any of those points above. If any voter wants to see the republican party continue to lead the country, they are going to vote republican, which means, Trump.

 

Quite frankly, I don't even care how much of a rotten individual he is, so far as I am concerned, that simply isn't relevant. The fact that he IS NOT A DEMOCRAT is the ONLY reason he gets my vote. And I know I am not alone in that sentiment.

 

Also, I don't know how much you know about american politicians, but, you won't find even ONE "Honest and value driven" politician in Washington DC. Or anywhere else for that matter, they simply do not exist here. They are ALL crooks, liars, and theives, feeding at the public trough.

[xrayy]

you are writing so much, but always free of argumets in favour of trump. you write that you don't care about trump. so if you don't care about him and his dangerous personality as a leader why do you take part in this trump debate ?

you should and you could know more about him and you fail to do so and to see the coherences and the political importance. so who do you think shows to be the idiot here ?

he is your president and i know more than you about him! so if you ignore that it is your problem and your fail to be able to act responsible. i know enough about u.s politics and about you that i can say that you obviously ignore important facts. if you do not understand about presidential power and the abuse of power or the inability of responsible use of power i can not teach you that. in my eyes you are lost and you make the same mistake that people and the political system made in germany in 1933 - and this is only one drastic example. a political agenda is meaningless if a leader is incapable and i already tried to explain that. you will never understand that but I'm sure at least 60% of the people in the u.s. already did and because of that they will do the right thing and prevent u.s politcs to be ruled two times by an incapable leader. if you watch the michelle obama video you should be able to understand and you can see what empathy means - if you know what i mean. if you prefer fox tv and qanon you will surely fail to understand.

and if you try to tell me that you are so disaffected that you think all politicians are trained liars and trump is not an extreme exception i feel just pity for you. so it's clear it is not me to better hide in a hole it is you who should better do that if you really think this is the truth.

[HeyYou]

you are writing so much, but always free of argumets in favour of trump. you write that you don't care about trump. so if you don't care about him and his dangerous personality as a leader why do you take part in this trump debate ?

you should and you could know more about him and you fail to do so and to see the coherences and the political importance. so who do you think shows to be the idiot here ?

he is your president and i know more than you about him! so if you ignore that it is your problem and your fail to be able to act responsible. i know enough about u.s politics and about you that i can say that you obviously ignore important facts. if you do not understand about presidential power and the abuse of power or the inability of responsible use of power i can not teach you that. in my eyes you are lost and you make the same mistake that people and the political system made in germany in 1933 - and this is only one drastic example. a political agenda is meaningless if a leader is incapable and i already tried to explain that. you will never understand that but I'm sure at least 60% of the people in the u.s. already did and because of that they will do the right thing and prevent u.s politcs to be ruled two times by an incapable leader. if you watch the michelle obama video you should be able to understand and you can see what empathy means - if you know what i mean. if you prefer fox tv and qanon you will surely fail to understand.

and if you try to tell me that you are so disaffected that you think all politicians are trained liars and trump is not an extreme exception i feel just pity for you. so it's clear it is not me to better hide in a hole it is you who should better do that if you really think this is the truth.

You just outright refuse to understand. Are you so left leaning that you are blinded to reality? I have explained this more times than I can count, of why I vote for trump, but you just completely ignore that, and go back to your 'holier than thou' morality rant. Just thought I would point out, that I had my 10 year old granddaughter glance thru this thread, and her response was "Wow, that guy is really dense."

 

You make some pretty bold claims there, which I seriously doubt are even remotely true. But, neither one of us will be able to prove anything either way on that, so, I am just not going to worry about it.

 

In any event, this 'debate' is utterly pointless, so, I am out.

[xrayy]

at least for me it was not completely pointless because i learned more about trump voters and how blinded and ignorant they really behave. i saw even qanon conspiracy spreaders here. no reaction from your side. we talked about the racist and conspriacy support of the current president - no clear distancing from your side. and we talked about the total corona pandemic fail of the current president - no reaction from your side. 200000 dead people and a president who still tell the others: don`t worry...

he better should apologize for his major fail and should show some empathy to the relatives of the dead instead of continuing his soap opera free of any empathy and respect.

 

so you are right - the debate is pointless, because trump uncovered already his personality and his incompetence publicly. he is just a big disappointment if not even dangerous and the majority of the u.s.voters realized that while a minority still fight for another four years of chaos and incompetence. the best would be if he retire and transfer his presidential responsibilites to pence for the last weeks before the election.

[HeyYou]

at least for me it was not completely pointless because i learned more about trump voters and how blinded and ignorant they really behave. i saw even qanon conspiracy spreaders here. no reaction from your side. we talked about the racist and conspriacy support of the current president - no clear distancing from your side. and we talked about the total corona pandemic fail of the current president - no reaction from your side. 200000 dead people and a president who still tell the others: don`t worry...

he better should apologize for his major fail and should show some empathy to the relatives of the dead instead of continuing his soap opera free of any empathy and respect.

 

so you are right - the debate is pointless, because trump uncovered already his personality and his incompetence publicly. he is just a big disappointment if not even dangerous and the majority of the u.s.voters realized that while a minority still fight for another four years of chaos and incompetence. the best would be if he retire and transfer his presidential responsibilites to pence for the last weeks before the election.

And we have covered all that as well, which you also seem to ignore.

 

You aren't debating, you are preaching.

[edgeburner]

 

 

at least for me it was not completely pointless because i learned more about trump voters and how blinded and ignorant they really behave.

Casting your judgementalism/ generalization concerning Trump supporters aside, You seem unwilling to accept facts that counter your opinion? We live in an off the rack world....one that will never be tailor fitted to any individual take, or opinion...... Accept that fact, and stop trying to convince others that you are absolutely right and they are wrong.

[NexBeth]

I think when it comes to Trump supporters, it's mostly down to Trump's platform and adherence to his promises; not being enamored by him personally. People who support Trump value his platform and the fact that he either keeps, or tries to keep most of his original promises--as they see it. Those who hate Trump are diametrically opposed to his platform and actions AND they see his obnoxious narcissistic personality and can only come away with hating him. The birth of Trump Derangement Syndrome.

 

And those who suffer TDS can not be meaningfully debated because it comes down to name-calling and belittlement as a mechanism to beating down the opposing political opinion.

 

 

[xrayy]

i've never said that that trump does not try to deliver - at least in some points of his agenda. he did and he even seems to be obsessed to do so. i know (and of course trump) that his followers are watching and praising this behavior. the problem with trump is not that he never delivered the - problem is the reckless, obsessed and hate spreading way he did it. he is obviously a hater and ignorer (all other shortcomings are already listed) and he manipulates his followers to be also hater and to ignore.

it is what people show who are trump followers or debating for example here in favor of trump: this kind of hate and to act and argue divisive as trump.

if you ask his followers about his dangerous way to play down with lies and cheats and to discredit moderate press and to support racists and conspiracists just to manipulate people and to deliver what he thinks is the best to fulfill his personal hate agenda against the establishment you just earn the same hate and ignorance.

empathy as a basic part of peaceful human life seems to be not existent or relevant for these people. they are even not able to understand that "reps vs dems" is not the major problem in the last four years of trumps presidency. i respect many reps and some dems are much too far left in my opinion but why are people so blind and shift into a hate and ignore mode if it comes to the obvious personal inadequacies of the current president which make him unbearable as a president ?

how can i tell child as a parent "lying and cheating is really bad" if the president as the child's idol tramples these values day by day with his own feet just omitting any empathy ? and how can his followers just ignore this major shortcoming even if thousands of covid affected people could still live. how can a president still treat the reason of their death like a hoax ? how can a leader be so disrespectful in such a worse way and how can people still seriously follow him with a good conscience ?

it just leaves me speechless what happens in the u.s. and that fulfilling some points of a crude agenda of hate and ignorance counts more than the life or the death of the neighbor, the friend or even the relative.

i learned from that debate and it is an eyeopener for me that something is deeply wrong with the priorities of some people. i think it is not just a u.s. problem, it is a worldwide problem. even people who call themselves "good people" seem to support such protectionist and ignorant hate agenda's - even in the name of god or whatever. in the end the weakest of us have to pay the highest price for this.