Trump

[colourwheel]

 

Appears we are of the same age perhaps, Colourwheel? I can still remember watching the election results that night Clinton was first elected. I was so excited and proud I had voted. Little did I know what was to come.

 

I am very close to your age then. At the time I was still very young being the 1st time I ever voted and extremely uninformed on the scope of politics during the time. It really wasn't till a decade later that I actually became more involved and informed.

 

Clinton in my opinion has been a way better president then any anyone I can remember in my lifetime and then Obama comes in a close 2nd. The irony about the whole affair with Monica Lewinsky is the fact the Republican Party no longer has anywhere close to a high moral ground to stand on when their party now supports candidates that have affairs with porn stars.

 

Back to being on topic. This coming Tuesday we are going to see how much influence on the Republican party Trump actually has anymore because of the Texas special election. Trump has basically been going around the country giving out endorsements like candy to any candidate who he feels is completely loyal to him. Also on his revenge campaign to oust any Republican running for office who has even remotely criticized him in the recent past.

 

Also seems we are getting closer to what will happen to Trump once all his mindless followers see Trump is still no longer President, even after the predicted date of August 13th that Mike Lindell Claims Trump will be reinstated as President. The sad thing is there is no middle ground anymore to reach a person who blindly follows Trump. A relative of mine is completely obsessed on the idea that Trump will be reinstated and believes all the baseless claims Trump keeps brainwashing his followers with.

 

I was recently at a wedding where my nephew got married and the entire time I was there I resisted on talking to his new spouse and her family because they are hardcore Trump supporter. At the wedding party, there was a short verbal fight between relatives over Trump and his baseless claims before everyone was told to stop talking about politics or leave even though it was my Nephews new Bride who brought up politics to begin with. It's difficult to be related to people who have alternate realities on life and even harder when they refuse to be vaccinated for Covid and don't understand why some guests came to the wedding wearing masks.

Edited July 25, 2021 by colourwheel

[HeyYou]

It isn't just Trump, and his supporters though. Society as a whole has been in a downward spiral for some time now. Recent events (Trump, pandemic, etc) have only accelerated that. We are far more divided, and sub-divided... now, than since the civil war. I really don't care for the direction this country is headed.... trouble is, I don't really see a way to change course. The two-party system is going to be the death of america.

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First, it would help to remember that in the southern states, voter fraud is defined as "voting for a democrat".

 

 

 

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Apparently, voting laws vary DRAMATICALLY from state to state...... A uniform set of rules would certainly be good, but, I don't think the states would stand for the fed dictating to them how to run elections. Of course, for federal elections, they would have a leg to stand on, (the feds) but, for local stuff..... not so much.

 

I don't see that changing any time soon either.

 

 

And remember, all the Republican Senators from those self same Southern States who believe the Big Lie (the election was stolen from Lying Little Donnie) voted against a federal level voting rights law. Why do you suppose that is? Oh, yeah! I remember! They gotta keep all those folks who just ain't quite white enough from voting.

 

Why do I believe this.

 

In 1977, I was home in my native village and a black man walked into the tavern. He wasn't the first black man I had ever seen, but he was the biggest. We got to talking and I learned he worked at one of the local logging camps. Every week thereafter, we met and talked. I told him about my youth in a Regional Residential Indian School and he told me about his youth in the Jim Crow South.

 

At the age of seven, his uncle was castrated and hung from a tree for participating in a parade honoring WWII Veterans, which he was. At age nine his cousin was beaten to death and then hung and castrated for "looking at a white woman". At age fourteen, his younger sister was raped and her eviscerated body left in a "blacks only" park.

 

At sixteen, his father was hung from his own front porch with a burning cross on his front lawn for the crime of attempting to register to vote. That same year, 37 black people were killed in Mississippi for attempting to register to vote. The school and church he attended were firebombed, as were four of his neighbors homes. Three women were dragged into the local community square and beaten and burned to death for teaching people how to fill out a ballot.

 

So the next time someone spouts "it's all about voter fraud prevention", you know the truth. It is part of the centuries old racist attempt to disenfranchise black voters. Black voters commit voting fraud. Remember, voter fraud is defined as "voting for a democrat".

 

“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.”

- Mark Twain

 

All five movies from the series of Planet of the Apes, for sale at "Google Play" for only $49.99.

 

See if you spot President Biden's and ex-President Trump's "speeches likeness" in any of the Planet of the Apes movies sequels.

 

Even in these time we are being dragged down to the beast's level of threats and lies, and experience is showing us again, beating each of us down with experience. That is just what Samuel Longhorne Clemens's words tell us. So, remember, "Never argue with STUPID PEOPLE!"

[colourwheel]

 

It isn't just Trump, and his supporters though. Society as a whole has been in a downward spiral for some time now. Recent events (Trump, pandemic, etc) have only accelerated that. We are far more divided, and sub-divided... now, than since the civil war. I really don't care for the direction this country is headed.... trouble is, I don't really see a way to change course. The two-party system is going to be the death of america.

 

 

I will agree with you that it isn't just Trump and his supporters, but it sure seems like a majority of people who continue to spread dangerous misinformation and conspiracy theories are mostly coming from the extreme right wing of the Republican Party. But maybe that's just my perspective. I miss the days when everyone who invested in conspiracies were all about aliens and illuminati.

 

Maybe you don't really care for the direction the country is headed now but I kind of felt this way when Trump was President too. The only reason why the two party system seems like it's failing is because one of the parties has pretty much been completely hi-jacked by one narcissistic man who struggles to regain power no matter the cost. Even if it means to disrupt our current democracy and even destroy it if it means he can get his way. Lets face it, the Republican Party is too easy to influence and practically easy to subjugate a overwhelming amount of misinformed supporters to blindly believe and follow one man. The Republican party as a whole at this point has too much of a base that would support Trump as a complete dictator and believe anything he says no matter how baseless the claims are.

 

Something that too many Republicans don't understand, there is no mechanism to ever reinstate a President no matter how rational you can make an argument or even if there is some type of "proof" of foul play. Once a President is certified it's over and everyone has to move on. The Problem is a majority of the Republican Party won't move on... We have over 90% of elected Republican leaders in Congress who won't even admit Biden is President even though they know better. This is something you can't blame on anyone other then those who refuse to believe that the election is over.

[HeyYou]

 

 

It isn't just Trump, and his supporters though. Society as a whole has been in a downward spiral for some time now. Recent events (Trump, pandemic, etc) have only accelerated that. We are far more divided, and sub-divided... now, than since the civil war. I really don't care for the direction this country is headed.... trouble is, I don't really see a way to change course. The two-party system is going to be the death of america.

 

 

I will agree with you that it isn't just Trump and his supporters, but it sure seems like a majority of people who continue to spread dangerous misinformation and conspiracy theories are mostly coming from the extreme right wing of the Republican Party. But maybe that's just my perspective. I miss the days when everyone who invested in conspiracies were all about aliens and illuminati.

 

Maybe you don't really care for the direction the country is headed now but I kind of felt this way when Trump was President too. The only reason why the two party system seems like it's failing is because one of the parties has pretty much been completely hi-jacked by one narcissistic man who struggles to regain power no matter the cost. Even if it means to disrupt our current democracy and even destroy it if it means he can get his way. Lets face it, the Republican Party is too easy to influence and practically easy to subjugate a overwhelming amount of misinformed supporters to blindly believe and follow one man. The Republican party as a whole at this point has too much of a base that would support Trump as a complete dictator and believe anything he says no matter how baseless the claims are.

 

Something that too many Republicans don't understand, there is no mechanism to ever reinstate a President no matter how rational you can make an argument or even if there is some type of "proof" of foul play. Once a President is certified it's over and everyone has to move on. The Problem is a majority of the Republican Party won't move on... We have over 90% of elected Republican leaders in Congress who won't even admit Biden is President even though they know better. This is something you can't blame on anyone other then those who refuse to believe that the election is over.

 

The same could be said for the dems. The whole "woke" culture is poisonous. Look what's happening in our schools today. The whole "critical race theory" thing, blaming all of our problems on white folks..... Yeah, that's certainly productive....

 

In any event, it isn't "just" the two-party system, it is what has been happening between them since roughly Obama got elected. It isn't about 'doing the business of the country' any more. It's making sure the 'other guys' can't get their pet legislation passed. The fight over the filibuster. Etc. Used to be, the word "compromise" held some meaning for both parties. Not today. It's a nasty word, and if you utter it, your political career is over.

[colourwheel]

 

 

 

It isn't just Trump, and his supporters though. Society as a whole has been in a downward spiral for some time now. Recent events (Trump, pandemic, etc) have only accelerated that. We are far more divided, and sub-divided... now, than since the civil war. I really don't care for the direction this country is headed.... trouble is, I don't really see a way to change course. The two-party system is going to be the death of america.

 

 

I will agree with you that it isn't just Trump and his supporters, but it sure seems like a majority of people who continue to spread dangerous misinformation and conspiracy theories are mostly coming from the extreme right wing of the Republican Party. But maybe that's just my perspective. I miss the days when everyone who invested in conspiracies were all about aliens and illuminati.

 

Maybe you don't really care for the direction the country is headed now but I kind of felt this way when Trump was President too. The only reason why the two party system seems like it's failing is because one of the parties has pretty much been completely hi-jacked by one narcissistic man who struggles to regain power no matter the cost. Even if it means to disrupt our current democracy and even destroy it if it means he can get his way. Lets face it, the Republican Party is too easy to influence and practically easy to subjugate a overwhelming amount of misinformed supporters to blindly believe and follow one man. The Republican party as a whole at this point has too much of a base that would support Trump as a complete dictator and believe anything he says no matter how baseless the claims are.

 

Something that too many Republicans don't understand, there is no mechanism to ever reinstate a President no matter how rational you can make an argument or even if there is some type of "proof" of foul play. Once a President is certified it's over and everyone has to move on. The Problem is a majority of the Republican Party won't move on... We have over 90% of elected Republican leaders in Congress who won't even admit Biden is President even though they know better. This is something you can't blame on anyone other then those who refuse to believe that the election is over.

 

 

The same could be said for the dems. The whole "woke" culture is poisonous. Look what's happening in our schools today. The whole "critical race theory" thing, blaming all of our problems on white folks..... Yeah, that's certainly productive....

 

In any event, it isn't "just" the two-party system, it is what has been happening between them since roughly Obama got elected. It isn't about 'doing the business of the country' any more. It's making sure the 'other guys' can't get their pet legislation passed. The fight over the filibuster. Etc. Used to be, the word "compromise" held some meaning for both parties. Not today. It's a nasty word, and if you utter it, your political career is over.

 

 

You might not like "woke" culture or many progressive ideas. I don't fully understand it completely either. But without the youth objectively taking a course that dives deep into the understanding of our countries history and just reject it because of personal opinion, how is any future generation suppose to over come social injustice and racism? For "Critical race theory" the purpose is to expose how racism has become a part of everyday life whether we know it or not. People end up making racist decisions that aren't meant to be racist but it ends up perpetually driving existing racism. It might seem very lopsided since a lot of it focuses on how policies in our history have shaped the way generations have grown up to understand how America is today. So it would be easy for a lot of white Americans to feel like it's all about blaming white people for everything.

 

But to turn things around on how conservatives think, how is this any different then blaming immigrants for everything? At least "Critical race theory" has been conceived through the study of analyzing historical legal framework instead of just baselessly blaming things on immigrants. To me this whole attitude is more poisonous then having the youth of today have a better understanding of racism.

 

Also going back to Obama, if I remember correctly it was the Republicans who suddenly decided to make it their main goal to not work with Obama and his administration no matter what, even when conservative policies were purposed. So it's no wonder why we are here today in this political environment.

Edited July 25, 2021 by colourwheel

[HeyYou]

 

 

 

 

It isn't just Trump, and his supporters though. Society as a whole has been in a downward spiral for some time now. Recent events (Trump, pandemic, etc) have only accelerated that. We are far more divided, and sub-divided... now, than since the civil war. I really don't care for the direction this country is headed.... trouble is, I don't really see a way to change course. The two-party system is going to be the death of america.

 

 

I will agree with you that it isn't just Trump and his supporters, but it sure seems like a majority of people who continue to spread dangerous misinformation and conspiracy theories are mostly coming from the extreme right wing of the Republican Party. But maybe that's just my perspective. I miss the days when everyone who invested in conspiracies were all about aliens and illuminati.

 

Maybe you don't really care for the direction the country is headed now but I kind of felt this way when Trump was President too. The only reason why the two party system seems like it's failing is because one of the parties has pretty much been completely hi-jacked by one narcissistic man who struggles to regain power no matter the cost. Even if it means to disrupt our current democracy and even destroy it if it means he can get his way. Lets face it, the Republican Party is too easy to influence and practically easy to subjugate a overwhelming amount of misinformed supporters to blindly believe and follow one man. The Republican party as a whole at this point has too much of a base that would support Trump as a complete dictator and believe anything he says no matter how baseless the claims are.

 

Something that too many Republicans don't understand, there is no mechanism to ever reinstate a President no matter how rational you can make an argument or even if there is some type of "proof" of foul play. Once a President is certified it's over and everyone has to move on. The Problem is a majority of the Republican Party won't move on... We have over 90% of elected Republican leaders in Congress who won't even admit Biden is President even though they know better. This is something you can't blame on anyone other then those who refuse to believe that the election is over.

 

 

The same could be said for the dems. The whole "woke" culture is poisonous. Look what's happening in our schools today. The whole "critical race theory" thing, blaming all of our problems on white folks..... Yeah, that's certainly productive....

 

In any event, it isn't "just" the two-party system, it is what has been happening between them since roughly Obama got elected. It isn't about 'doing the business of the country' any more. It's making sure the 'other guys' can't get their pet legislation passed. The fight over the filibuster. Etc. Used to be, the word "compromise" held some meaning for both parties. Not today. It's a nasty word, and if you utter it, your political career is over.

 

 

You might not like "woke" culture or many progressive ideas. I don't fully understand it completely either. But without the youth objectively taking a course that dives deep into the understanding of our countries history and just reject it because of personal opinion, how is any future generation suppose to over come social injustice and racism? For "Critical race theory" the purpose is to expose how racism has become a part of everyday life whether we know it or not. People end up making racist decisions that aren't meant to be racist but it ends up perpetually driving existing racism. It might seem very lopsided since a lot of it focuses on how policies in our history have shaped the way generations have grown up to understand how America is today. So it would be easy for a lot of white Americans to feel like it's all about blaming white people for everything.

 

But to turn things around on how conservatives think, how is this any different then blaming immigrants for everything? At least "Critical race theory" has been conceived through the study of analyzing historical legal framework instead of just baselessly blaming things on immigrants. To me this whole attitude is more poisonous then having the youth of today have a better understanding of racism.

 

Also going back to Obama, if I remember correctly it was the Republicans who suddenly decided to make it their main goal to not work with Obama and his administration no matter what, even when conservative policies were purposed. So it's no wonder why we are here today in this political environment.

 

I object to the notion that only white people can be racist, and that every ill that has befallen minorities in this country is white folks fault. Takes two to tango.

[colourwheel]

 

 

 

 

 

It isn't just Trump, and his supporters though. Society as a whole has been in a downward spiral for some time now. Recent events (Trump, pandemic, etc) have only accelerated that. We are far more divided, and sub-divided... now, than since the civil war. I really don't care for the direction this country is headed.... trouble is, I don't really see a way to change course. The two-party system is going to be the death of america.

 

 

I will agree with you that it isn't just Trump and his supporters, but it sure seems like a majority of people who continue to spread dangerous misinformation and conspiracy theories are mostly coming from the extreme right wing of the Republican Party. But maybe that's just my perspective. I miss the days when everyone who invested in conspiracies were all about aliens and illuminati.

 

Maybe you don't really care for the direction the country is headed now but I kind of felt this way when Trump was President too. The only reason why the two party system seems like it's failing is because one of the parties has pretty much been completely hi-jacked by one narcissistic man who struggles to regain power no matter the cost. Even if it means to disrupt our current democracy and even destroy it if it means he can get his way. Lets face it, the Republican Party is too easy to influence and practically easy to subjugate a overwhelming amount of misinformed supporters to blindly believe and follow one man. The Republican party as a whole at this point has too much of a base that would support Trump as a complete dictator and believe anything he says no matter how baseless the claims are.

 

Something that too many Republicans don't understand, there is no mechanism to ever reinstate a President no matter how rational you can make an argument or even if there is some type of "proof" of foul play. Once a President is certified it's over and everyone has to move on. The Problem is a majority of the Republican Party won't move on... We have over 90% of elected Republican leaders in Congress who won't even admit Biden is President even though they know better. This is something you can't blame on anyone other then those who refuse to believe that the election is over.

 

 

The same could be said for the dems. The whole "woke" culture is poisonous. Look what's happening in our schools today. The whole "critical race theory" thing, blaming all of our problems on white folks..... Yeah, that's certainly productive....

 

In any event, it isn't "just" the two-party system, it is what has been happening between them since roughly Obama got elected. It isn't about 'doing the business of the country' any more. It's making sure the 'other guys' can't get their pet legislation passed. The fight over the filibuster. Etc. Used to be, the word "compromise" held some meaning for both parties. Not today. It's a nasty word, and if you utter it, your political career is over.

 

 

You might not like "woke" culture or many progressive ideas. I don't fully understand it completely either. But without the youth objectively taking a course that dives deep into the understanding of our countries history and just reject it because of personal opinion, how is any future generation suppose to over come social injustice and racism? For "Critical race theory" the purpose is to expose how racism has become a part of everyday life whether we know it or not. People end up making racist decisions that aren't meant to be racist but it ends up perpetually driving existing racism. It might seem very lopsided since a lot of it focuses on how policies in our history have shaped the way generations have grown up to understand how America is today. So it would be easy for a lot of white Americans to feel like it's all about blaming white people for everything.

 

But to turn things around on how conservatives think, how is this any different then blaming immigrants for everything? At least "Critical race theory" has been conceived through the study of analyzing historical legal framework instead of just baselessly blaming things on immigrants. To me this whole attitude is more poisonous then having the youth of today have a better understanding of racism.

 

Also going back to Obama, if I remember correctly it was the Republicans who suddenly decided to make it their main goal to not work with Obama and his administration no matter what, even when conservative policies were purposed. So it's no wonder why we are here today in this political environment.

 

I object to the notion that only white people can be racist, and that every ill that has befallen minorities in this country is white folks fault. Takes two to tango.

 

 

I object to the notion that only white people can be racist too. But I do feel there is a need to educate future generations that there is a long line of legal policies that have shaped the way our country is today due to racism.

Edited July 26, 2021 by colourwheel

[Lisnpuppy]

To mem the biggest part of this mess began in three large Nexus events, if you will (yeah I been watching Loki, lol.)

 

 

1) Regan welcoming and encouraging Evangelical Christian's and the "Moral Majority" into the White House. Republicans began fundamentally changing at that point when Evangelical Christian's got involved in politics with large piles of cash from their parishioners.

 

2) Newt Gingrich entered politics. In 1978 he made a speech in an Atlanta airport to College Republicans. As read here, he said

"One of the great problems we have in the Republican Party is that we donât encourage you to be nasty,â he told the group. âWe encourage you to be neat, obedient, and loyal, and faithful, and all those Boy Scout words, which would be great around the campfire but are lousy in politics.â

 

For their party to succeed, Gingrich went on, the next generation of Republicans would have to learn to âraise hell,â to stop being so ânice,â to realize that politics was, above all, a cutthroat âwar for powerââand to start acting like it.

 

-https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/11/newt-gingrich-says-youre-welcome/570832/

 

He is the biggest black eye historians ever had.

 

But he went to Washington, became speaker and started with what he spoke. Until then both parties would at least find some ways to compromise. It still was not always great but some discourse and compromise was found. He actively encouraged republicans to stop being civil and fight dirty. Mitch McConnell agreed. It was not too many years later the Tea Party was born and republicans never looked back.

 

3) Social Media happened. More importantly unregulated social media happened where anyone can say anything to a huge audience, with no repercussions for lying. More so, it allows pretty much anyone design things that look and sound like legit news articles or news programs. Unlike say, traditional media that even though they have freedom of press, can and often are forced to issue corrections and are sued for libel. The internet allowed for "someone" to act like a government political insider who became known as "Q" and the QAnon was born, because certainly it would not be allowed on the internet if it was not true, right? It used to be people spreading this crap were relegated to handing out pamphlets on street corners or self-printi g their manifesto. Now they can spiffy up a web page and convince the world of anything.

 

 

Also yes, anyone can be racists and be subjugated. But systemic racism is a thing in the US. If you look at the history of this country you can see it shine clearly.

[Deleted92948618User]

 

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Also yes, anyone can be racists and be subjugated. But systemic racism is a thing in the US. If you look at the history of this country you can see it shine clearly.

 

Everyone says that "institutional racism" in America is a lie. But if anyone bothers to look closely, America's FHA, as a prerequisite to making Federally guaranteed loans, once required neighborhoods to have bylaws which precluded people from buying houses unless they were members of the Caucasian race. These blatantly racist covenants still exist in every American State, but are particularly prevalent in Texas, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Louisiana, Georgia, Missouri, Virginia, West Virginia, and North and South Carolina.

 

And house ownership is just ONE example. Entire communities were labeled "red zones" if there was a single resident who wasn't "of the Caucasian race". Red zones got fewer federal monies for schools, roads, electricity, water, sewage and waste disposal, as the money was all relegated to communities which had enforced covenants.

 

And people like Mitch McConnell have the audacity to say there is no systemic racism in America. Hell, red zones still exist. Only now, they are call "distressed neighborhoods" or "ghettos" or "slums" or "poor neighborhoods", as if the inhabitants created the problem because the FHA wouldn't loan them or their parents the money to finance a decent home in Levettown.