"Admin rights"

[HadToRegister]

Well i don't really see any support offered for those with UAC disabled. only reminders that their choice is bad. all the persons who have UAC disabled on this thread are told they shouldn't be running with UserAccountControl disabled. and that's the end of it,

 

-except- for the few whom have attempted to follow that advice, and in the attempt lost their administrator account for doing so, leaving them with an even more pressing problem.

 

It seems rather similar to converting to Christianity. Dammed if you do, dammed if you don't. Shame on them for ever taking control into their own hands. ～ And wanting to mod.

 

Seeing this view upheld here, i uninstalled vortex without ever getting to see if the software -would- run beyond the warning. It says its not designed to, and that there is no support for non-UAC heathens. So i aborted usage before any vortex baptism could commence. Necro or otherwise, this thread and the admin error warning (Which brought me to this thread BTW) has influenced a modern decision.

 

If the thread is 7 months old, maybe its because less people even care to install and run with a software that only caters to UAC users. ⋆Shrug⋆ Its not the only option out there. Just the only Biased one.

Besides, Zombies have been part of religion since Jesus rose from the dead.

 

 

That's because most normal people run with UAC enabled.

 

Personally, if you want to risk your system top malware etc, that's your decision, but stop with the persecution/victim act

 

Can you show me all of those people who turned on UAC who suddenly lost their Admin account?

You're not making any sense.

 

When you turn off UAC you run everything as Admin.

Some program do not like to be run as Admin.

 

That's just Windows.

That's how it works.

[AugustaCalidia]

Bene, verum nil tanti.

[Guest deleted34304850]

i rather enjoyed the repeated comparisons of UAC to religion. It was an enjoyable break from the mileu of life. Of course everything you wrote was complete and utter bollocks, but it was enjoyable all the same.

[Sinjito]

I'm glad this thread is here. I somehow did not even realize my UAC was turned off. I'm not sure when or why I turned it off.

[Tannin42]

Since we are making a religious choice to lynch any users with the right to disable "User Account Control" It really should be made CLEAR to anyone before they download the dixie-cup and take a sip of the poisonous fruit-punch. We don't want any non-UAC believers getting in the way of our faithful ascension into User-account-controlled heaven.

 

What the hell are you talking about?

We're warning you about UAC, that's all. The dialog has an Ignore button and it never comes up again if you do.

So why are you acting like anyone is forcing you to do something?

 

Besides: Disabling UAC is objectively stupid. That's a scientific fact and therefore could not be further from religion...

Since those who disable UAC are those who most need it, MS should really just go and activate something more restrictive if you try to disable it.

"Oh, so you think disabling UAC is a reasonable thing to do? Well, your PC is now an XBox, enjoy."

[dizietemblesssma]

 

"Oh, so you think disabling UAC is a reasonable thing to do? Well, your PC is now an XBox, enjoy."

 

That's funny, I'm adding that to my sig file, with accreditation of course:)

[DC1014]

3 things:

 

1: It's weird to hear anyone praising UAC tbh... Because for me and anyone computer literate that I know, including the people I worked with at MS, it has always caused more problems than it solved...

Actually, I can't actually think of any problems that it has solved. I am fairly certain at least several of you will say it's made computer use safer for the plebes, but I would say that's a problem. Besides, malicious software can't do anything to you if you don't download it in the first place. Be smart about it, check url's, security certs, etc etc. Your own oversight and discretion in what you do on the internet is second to none.

 

Saving idiots from themselves when they click on things they shouldn't is why the internet now sucks. In my first attempt at this post, here is where I put a picture of the sign for Dicks Burgers linked to another picture of a donkey. I'm sure it was funnier then, but I am somehow unable to care. Context must be given. Holy s#*!, I am so tired I am not sure if context is the word I want or not. Somewhere in the back of my head the autopilot from FlightSim is saying, "Terrain, pull up. Terrain, pull up." Jewish god whatever-your-name-is, please help me.

 

2: Tannin, please, don't parade anecdotal evidence as empirical, it is not. You seem to be as biased as the guy you were replying to, though I will admit it was pretty funny. However, it is not as you said 'objectively stupid', someone who actually knows what they are doing is fine, believe it or not there was a time before UAC and as much trouble as I caused, no one was ever able to seriously compromise my machine. Caution and compartmentalization goes a long way. I will also concede that most people do not pay enough attention to what they are doing to not screw themselves when they turn it off. The point I am trying to make is, that is the problem, no one bothers to be observant any more because we have nanny 3.1 to keep us from screwing up. It's made us, as a whole, lazy and stupid, and maybe more of those people should turn it off. Natural selection might just shy them back towards being like Jen from The IT crowd. After all, we will always need someone we can convince the internet is in a shoe box and that they broke it at their precious board meeting, omg-we're-all-gonna-die. It's hilarious.

 

3: UAC was the last feature I would have ever asked MS for. It's a useless $#1+ φre in a ■. Any attack on my system serious enough for me to worry about will go right around UAC anyways, I won't know what's going on until it's too late. I have tested it repeatedly. I don't want to use it. I won't use it. And I don't care about who is responsible for what happens or isn't for what doesn't. Please, just be plain and tell us... Generally speaking, what should we expect if we hit ignore when we launch vortex? Corrupted game files? Kernel dump? The next-door neighbor a$$-r@ping a goldfish? Come on, throw us a bone, I just want to know how much to pucker up my sphincter before I pull the trigger on this. It won't kill you to venture a guess. I feel like I have just read 4 pages of nonsense for no reason and spent the time writing this to entertain and present the best counter-argument I could, hoping that if I didn't learn something, anything, maybe if I could make someone laugh, my time spent might yet be worth it. Unfortunately, I fear I lost control of this hours ago, I am not even sure if I was ever wearing pants, much less where they are now. Seriously, help, I need my pants. They must now do pants.... stuff. May the Schnapps be with you.

 

-John Quincey Adams

1972

The Moon

Dictated, not read

[Tannin42]

3 things:

 

1: It's weird to hear anyone praising UAC tbh... Because for me and anyone computer literate that I know, including the people I worked with at MS, it has always caused more problems than it solved...

I know for a fact now that you've never talked to anyone literate or working on windows.

UAC isn't great, it's a necessity for computer security. Saying "it caused more trouble than it solved" is like saying "air has caused more trouble than it solved".

Which is something a stupid person might say after a hurricane damaged their house.

 

Actually, I can't actually think of any problems that it has solved. I am fairly certain at least several of you will say it's made computer use safer for the plebes

This is the part that now proves you don't really understand what UAC does. UAC doesn't make computers safer for plebs. It makes computers safer, period.

I'm willing to bet if Linus Torvalds were to use Windows, he would leave it on.

Every linux or unix os will prevent you from making changes to the system directly unless you go through sudo first, which serves the same purpose.

 

The goal of UAC isn't to make it harder for users to make harmful changes to the system, it's there to keep malicious or buggy software from making such changes without

the user knowing or having time to intervene.

The hurdle to the user is merely a necessary evil to that.

 

, but I would say that's a problem.

No, arrogant users who imagine they have control over everything their computer does - despite the fact there are dozens of services running in the background doing all sorts

of things completely invisible to you and at a speed impossible for you to intervene - are the problem.

 

Besides, malicious software can't do anything to you if you don't download it in the first place. Be smart about it, check url's, security certs, etc etc. Your own oversight and discretion in what you do on the internet is second to none.

Again, you're just showing off your own ignorance. There are plenty opportunities to get malware on your computer through bugs in your web browser, email program, AV software, ...

without you ever knowingly clicking anything malicious.

 

Saving idiots from themselves when they click on things they shouldn't is why the internet now sucks.

You, man, are one of the people who need the most protection because you don't realize how much you don't understand.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

 

You know 20% of what you need to know and think your done and ready to tell other people what to do.

 

Generally speaking, what should we expect if we hit ignore when we launch vortex? Corrupted game files? Kernel dump?

Again, if you knew anything about computer security you'd know the answer to that.

If you click ignore your system will go on to load dlls in a security context that they aren't intended for meaning you're exposing your system to potential security holes

for no good reason.

Besides that you may be messing up file permissions all over the place but that would only be relevant if you ever came to your senses and re-enabled UAC at which point

you will have to completely format your system because fixing those file permissions for tens of thousands of files and directories is impractical.

Neither of this has to do with Vortex, your system is irreversibly tainted since the moment you disabled UAC and that's not going to be fixed without a complete reinstall.

Nothing will noticeably "break". "corrupted game files"? Why would you even...? Jesus...

[HellPhantom]

Hi.

 

Been using Vortex for a long time now and I thing it is great tool.

 

My problem is slightly different. I have been using the same Vortex short cut on desktop and never had this message before (Admin message from Vortex, not Windows, Windows does not ask if i would like to run as admin as it would do when run as admin is forced). And 2 days ago the message popped up. I have checked inside Task manager under details with correct columns selected and it is not actually running as elevated, if i force it to run as admin then it is elevated.

 

I have tried running executable directly from install folder and anything else i could think of, it is not actually run as admin or with elevated rights. I had to dismiss the warning for now to continue but I would have like to know what might have changed, Other programs are still functioning correct.

 

My UAC is on as it should be and it works they way I expect it or as Good/Bad as it always has been.

 

My concern is why it would suddenly pop up, I have not upgraded or modified Vortex. Been playing Fallout 4 regularly adding the odd MOD.

Maybe the test vortex does for admin is not 100% solid but still something must have changed.

[Tannin42]

Hmm, the way Vortex determines if it's run as admin is by running an operation that doesn't have any effect but should still be only allowed for admin. If that doesn't produce a permission error, Vortex assumes it's being run as admin.

We do it that way because we can't reliably query for account permissions.

 

Now if you're sure you don't run Vortex as admin and you don't have UAC enabled you're ok to continue, maybe for some reason you have extended permissions for the exact operation we used to check.