Vortex 1.0 Release

[HadToRegister]

So, when are you planning to make the UI functional?

 

 

It already is.

Try actually using it

It's on github, so feel free to add your coding expertise to help out.

[NickSheperd]

I think I tried vortex way back when it was first announced and I was so hopelessly confused by the UI that I dropped it immediately and never touched it again.

 

I can only hope some serious improvements have been made since then. I'm not currently playing any games that require an MO but by the time I am I imagine NMM probably won't support it so I'll be forced to learn Vortex.

 

I guess the one thing that never made any sense to me is the reason for abandoning NMM and completely starting over with Vortex. This post, like many before it, mention a lack of confidence in NMM's software and it's stability. I suppose I can understand that except for the fact that over the course of several years of using NMM I can't really recall running into any serious issue that caused unsolvable problems.

 

I suppose it's certainly possible that I was simply lucky and others out there were experiencing these problems I never ran into. I will say I'm really going to miss NMM's simplicity. It was very straight forward and easy to use while Vortex felt overly convoluted and messy.

 

And before anyone wants to hammer out "YOU CAN STILL USE NMM" let's not be disingenuous here. We all know that Vortex is supposed to be the future of modding for the Nexus. Eventually, we will reach a point where NMM simply can't keep up. I think that fact is being heavily ignored by those who can't seem to fathom why some people would have preferred updates for NMM rather than a whole new unfamiliar MO.

 

Either way, I do sincerely hope Vortex is a massive success because the Nexus is where I go for nearly all of my modding needs. Looking forward to a bright future for the modding community.

[Guest deleted34304850]

So, when are you planning to make the UI functional?

i guess some people are simply compelled to show the world how much of an idiot they can be.

[Guest deleted34304850]

I think I tried vortex way back when it was first announced and I was so hopelessly confused by the UI that I dropped it immediately and never touched it again.

 

I can only hope some serious improvements have been made since then. I'm not currently playing any games that require an MO but by the time I am I imagine NMM probably won't support it so I'll be forced to learn Vortex.

 

I guess the one thing that never made any sense to me is the reason for abandoning NMM and completely starting over with Vortex. This post, like many before it, mention a lack of confidence in NMM's software and it's stability. I suppose I can understand that except for the fact that over the course of several years of using NMM I can't really recall running into any serious issue that caused unsolvable problems.

 

I suppose it's certainly possible that I was simply lucky and others out there were experiencing these problems I never ran into. I will say I'm really going to miss NMM's simplicity. It was very straight forward and easy to use while Vortex felt overly convoluted and messy.

 

And before anyone wants to hammer out "YOU CAN STILL USE NMM" let's not be disingenuous here. We all know that Vortex is supposed to be the future of modding for the Nexus. Eventually, we will reach a point where NMM simply can't keep up. I think that fact is being heavily ignored by those who can't seem to fathom why some people would have preferred updates for NMM rather than a whole new unfamiliar MO.

 

Either way, I do sincerely hope Vortex is a massive success because the Nexus is where I go for nearly all of my modding needs. Looking forward to a bright future for the modding community.

 

what improvements would you like to see to the UI, and, did you send in any feedback, highlighting your issues and looking for a solution/workaround? Did you know, for example, that the UI is entirely customisable? It's all there, but you need to go and look at it and use it to know this. Simply posting up stuff like "i loaded it once and i didn't like it so i never used it again" don't help anyone and only show ignorance on behalf of the OP. Who would take feedback like that seriously?

 

Fact is, every tool - every. single. tool. comes with a learning curve. NMM had a learning curve. windows had a learning curve. A learning curve is part of how we, as humans work. what is the problem with a learning curve?

Don't like the font? change it.

Don't like the colours? change them.

Too many windows open? close them.

Too many options you don't want? disable them.

 

Seriously, it's that hard.

 

Also, people informing you that NMM is still available are not being disingenuous. It's a fact. They are actually being the entirely opposite of disingenuous.

 

There ARE other alternatives out there, MO/MO2/Wryebash christ knows what else. All being worked on and developed. Hell, if you don't fancy any of them you can even mod manually if you know what you're doing because at the highest level, all you are doing is copying files from one directory to another (yes there are more complex exceptions but that's what 90% of modding is). Vortex is not the only show in town, never has been and is not being advertised as such. If people don't like it, there are alternatives that are actively being developed, and intimating anything different is entirely disingenuous in and of itself.

[BroccoliUltra]

Really enjoying using Vortex, the interface is so much better than what has come before. Mod packs sound like a great feature to add. Keep up the good work!

[Arthmoor]

In response to post #72686218.

1ae0bfb8 wrote:

i don't understand how and where there is this huge community of pissed off modders.

 

not one of them posts their issues in the support forums? don't you find that weird? i do. they fester about a computer program? that's like hating a spanner.

"Oh I'm 100% a hammer man. I hammer everything, ain't no nuts and bolts in my world - just nails. i have been hammering nails for 20 years and won't change now, who do they think they are making nuts and bolts? a "proper" handyman only needs a hammer. don't be coming in here and changing hammer and nail standards, we won't stand for none of that spannering around here!"

 

it is utterly ludicrous, but i guess people need something to hate, and surely hating some 0's and 1's is better than hating on a person. still odd, and still way out of my understanding, but hey - people, right?

 

as i said - when this army of pissed off modders can post their issues on the support forums, so that they can get answers, and who knows, make the program better, then we can deal with it. until that day - it's just unproven bullshine and fallacies on the interwebs. which is maybe why they're on reddit, no?

No. As I explained once before, these are people who have tried that approach before and found the developers unwilling to listen. Cue you assuming they were just being dense idiots though. Seems that's your fallback is to just call anyone who doesn't like Vortex for whatever reason an idiot.

Your hammer and bolts analogy falls utterly short of the mark btw. That's not even close to a valid comparison.

Also you are again conveniently ignoring the fact that I told you this isn't limited to just reddit users.

[Guest deleted34304850]

I only mentioned Reddit because you did. I don't use Reddit, I don't have a Reddit account, I don't need one. I have no experience of it, I don't know anything about it, or the various threads on there where people are 'hating' Vortex. I don't use or have a Discord account either. In fact, the only places I have accounts are here, Simsettlements and AFKmods. It's a small sample, I'll admit, but it is what it is. I simply don't have time to go to other places, I have found that for me, for what I need, those sites are all I need to educate myself about modding Bethesda games.

 

I thought my analogy was pretty good, given that I view Vortex/MO/MO2/NMM/LOOT etc., as tools. Each tool performs a function. Some are similar, some not so. I don't really hate tools. If they don't serve the function I want, or they serve the function I want in a way that is difficult for me, I will find something else.

 

I use Notepad++ but I don't hate Notepad. I use Firefox but I don't hate Chrome. (I do hate Edge though, but that's another story).

 

It's just semantics.

 

Also, if the people who are hating Vortex are doing that because their help wasn't required, then don't you think that's a wise choice? The more I read, the more I think Nexusmods totally nailed it.

 

edited for fat fingered typo's

Edited August 20, 2019 by 1ae0bfb8

[Deleted59475776User]

In response to post #72735783.

1ae0bfb8 wrote:

I only mentioned Reddit because you did. I don't use Reddit, I don't have a Reddit account, I don't need one. I have no experience of it, I don't know anything about it, or the various threads on there where people are 'hating' Vortex. I don't use or have a Discord account either. In fact, the only places I have accounts are here, Simsettlements and AFKmods. It's a small sample, I'll admit, but it is what it is. I simply don't have time to go to other places, I have found that for me, for what I need, those sites are all I need to educate myself about modding Bethesda games.

 

I thought my analogy was pretty good, given that I view Vortex/MO/MO2/NMM/LOOT etc., as tools. Each tool performs a function. Some are similar, some not so. I don't really hate tools. If they don't serve the function I want, or they serve the function I want in a way that is difficult for me, I will find something else.

 

I use Notepad++ but I don't hate Notepad. I use Firefox but I don't hate Chrome. (I do hate Edge though, but that's another story).

 

It's just semantics.

 

Also, if the people who are hating Vortex are doing that because their help wasn't required, then don't you think that's a wise choice? The more I read, the more I think Nexusmods totally nailed it.

 

edited for fat fingered typo's

There is Chromium and I love Chrome and hate Firefox and Edge (Microsoft will revert to Chromium kernel in the future though). There is meld merge and I hate Beyond Compare and alike softwares. I love Notepad++ and I hate the bloated UltraEdit.
I think everyone has the freedom to share his opinion about a software that is presented as the "top edge" of a site.

[Guest deleted34304850]

i think if you "hate" software, there's something intrinsically wrong with you.

[HadToRegister]

I love Beyond Compare, I find it invaluable in finding the differences between the folders I backed up on an external drive, and the folder on my internal drive, so I can have only copy the NEW folders from my drive to the backup drive.
(Differential Backup I think it's called)
It's also really handy when carrying over any changes I made to an ini file, by comparing the two.

That's one piece of software I find myself using constantly.

 

Love Notepad++

Also love MWSnap (screenshot program) and Keepass Password Keeper, and "unlocker" for those stubborn files that get glitched and locked by explorer so you can't delete them