VulcanTourist Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 From a Reddit conversation: I don’t know about vortex. It seems to still have its fair share of bugs and that’s pretty evident when reading some of the posts on popular modding pages.It's not evident. I've been using it since June to manage a list of over 700 mods now. I've seen room for improvements - and have made suggestions - but I have yet to encounter a single bug.Whatever you say. If it works for you then it works for you, however your individual case of success doesn’t discount the many horror stories of people who used vortex. It’s not a risk I’m willing to take and many others feel the same especially considering M02 works completely fine and is practically the gold standard in the community from what I’ve seen. I'm encountering this sort of skepticism, even bordering on religious fervor, repeatedly in conversations about mod managers. One person described Vortex as "utter garbage". The people who hold this perception cling to it very stubbornly; there's no objective facts that will dissuade them from it. I have yet to see one such person even acknowledge the possibility that their view might be distorted. These are the MO2 Disciples who act as unpaid missionaries for the One True Mod Manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AugustaCalidia Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 My guess is that load order management lies at the core of Vortex skepticism. A great many of those who are so skeptical about Vortex are mod management control freaks who cannot abide a mod manager that sidelines "drag and drop" load order management in favor of (horrors!) LOOT and maybe a few conflict rules. It's ironic that the father of the One True Mod Manager is also the father of Vortex. Anyway, de gustibus non est disputandum. Also, for whatever it's worth, Vortex now has a reach and following far beyond the Bethesda gaming world where MO2 lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmm200 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 Vortex is not a religion. I am quite satisfied with the number of people that use it and like it. The support here for those that do have problems is top notch.The rest are welcome to use NMM of MO 2 or one they write themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VulcanTourist Posted October 19, 2020 Author Share Posted October 19, 2020 My guess is that load order management lies at the core of Vortex skepticism. A great many of those who are so skeptical about Vortex are mod management control freaks who cannot abide a mod manager that sidelines "drag and drop" load order management in favor of (horrors!) LOOT and maybe a few conflict rules. It's ironic that the father of the One True Mod Manager is also the father of Vortex.Oh, it is indeed irony: the same people who preach the exclusive virtues of MO2 typically also mention LOOT, as if somehow its features are absent in Vortex. When I point that out, or that the lead author of both is the same person, it has no effect at all. Nope, the delusion can easily withstand these mere facts. They aren't truthy enough, they're fake news! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VulcanTourist Posted October 19, 2020 Author Share Posted October 19, 2020 What irks me about this behavior is that they mislead others into believing the same, when it's repeated often enough (and it is). There are people who never even consider Vortex as an alternative because of this ad hoc misinformation campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest deleted34304850 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 opening statement: "I don't know about Vortex". After that everything else is pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest deleted34304850 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 One person described Vortex as "utter garbage".People are entitled to their opinions, there's more than one way to mod a game. Some people like NMM, some don't. Some people like Vortex, some don't. It's life. I like what I like, I use what I use. Are there better alternatives? For me, the answer, at the moment, is no and will remain so until such time as the answer becomes yes, and then I'll use the better (based on my own likes/dislikes) options available to me. Everything else is just noise. Including this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HadToRegister Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 "The many horror stories"Nice Argumentum ad populum there.So far the 'horror stories' I've seen come from people who have absolutely no clue how to use Vortex and don't care to learn, or from people who heard from someone else that Vortex 'sucks' and don't use it themselves.I never take those people very seriously, especially when they come in here and rant about features that Vortex doesn't have, that Vortex has had for a couple of years now.They mostly give away the fact they've never used Vortex by claiming it can't do things that it actually can do.That's when I stop listening to them.To me, Reddit is like hanging out in front of the 7-11 in order to get sex advice from the local teens hanging out in front of the ice machine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zanderat Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 I agree that enforced LOOT is the cause of most of the Vortex hate. Having said that, highlighting the fact that you CAN turn off auto-sorting in the UI would help. Or maybe not. To me, both Vortex (which I use) or MO2 are both valid choices (maybe also Wrye BASH for some). I am not sure why the Nexus keeps NMM around on life support these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest deleted34304850 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 To me, Reddit is like hanging out in front of the 7-11 in order to get sex advice from the local teens hanging out in front of the ice machineI so wish I could give you Kudos for that nugget of truth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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