NEXUS OR SEXUS? THIS IS THE PROBLEM

[Farvat]

Dear Nexus

It is a long time that I and many others users noted with some concern the nexus trend and in particular its part intended to Skyrim,, where the growing presence of pornographic nature mods is literally invading all spaces until get to occupy the main page.
The question is: to visit nexus I have to do when my wife is not looking? Do You have fired all the admins in charge of stock control which is published on the site?
I do not understand why the censorship act ruthlessly with regard to the part used for images, but incredibly there is no censorship on the images that accompany the mods and their contents. Why this difference in treatment?
Last week a mod with a female skin texture, presented a wild giant vagina as imagine for the cover with a tattoo. After, it was and is still there, the mod called "Mango Follower". We analyze this mod, it is a follower that has as background the fact to tell of an abused and raped girl who is kept segregated in a cave and that the player should release. Here nothing wrong. The problem, however, that the mod looks with this follower almost completely naked, in winking attitudes, as typical of hentai junk that now flocking nexus. Here we just went over. Here the message is: the girl likes to be abused and raped so old pervert player, download the mod and have fun as did what the bandits do. The message is perverse, violent and disrespectful of women and even vaguely on the borders of pedophiles aspects.. An admin would seriously concealed the mod forcing the author to put more suitable images to the character or change its background. All this is disgusting and unworthy of a site like yours that is doing the Puritan on the images, but in front of the mods, in fact the only thing that interests you, it becomes too permissive, wanting to conquer its market share in the virtual pornography. In the future Do you plan to change the site name in Sexus?

You maybe you can answer that this fashion generally like users and censorship is illiberal, but if so, why then you are illiberal of any form of nudity in the publication of the pictures? Maybe it's time to do some shifting, ie take the admin in charge of censorship of the images and put it to work on mods, and vice versa.

 

my Best regards and I hope that my letter will open a light in the rather bleak future of this site, and that finally the countermeasures are taken.

 

Farvat

[Jokerine]

Have you tried, you know, tag blocking so you don't see stuff with nudity and the like?

[TheVampireDante]

We have regulations in place regarding both files and images with regards to adult content.

 

Files:

 

 

• Any files that contain sexual images or reference of sexual acts with minors (people under the age of 18 or people who look under the age of 18) and animals, incite racial or religious hatred or are generally designed to spark a negative reaction in certain demographics beyond what is accepted within the UK/US media will be removed and accounts banned. To further clarify: what would be acceptable within the film and video game industry in the UK/US is generally acceptable on Nexus sites, however there may be exceptions, taking into account the multi-cultural character of the modding scene, as long as such exceptions are within legally permissible boundaries.
• Insure that any content that would typically be awarded a 15 certificate or higher in the US/UK film and video game industry is properly labelled with the Adult-only option when uploading files and images. Continued failure to adhere to this rule will result in your account being banned.
• If your mod is not tagged as Adult then you may not use adult imagery or content either in your mod Description or in the Images section of your mod page, and you may not accept such images uploaded by users. If you intend to accept such images or use such content on your mod description page then you must re-tag your mod as Adult.

 

Images:

 

 

No nudity
Images showing nudity are absolutely prohibited in the normal image share. This rule is applicable to images showing full frontal/rear nudity and partial nudity (uncovered breasts, genitals, buttocks), pictures showing characters wearing extremely revealing outfits (transparent, semi-transparent dresses, string bikinis, micro-bikinis, clothes that leave sensitive areas or pubic hair visible). Rear-view images of topless female characters are tolerated as long as they are tagged as adult and the pose does not expose a full or partial side view of the breasts. Using patches/pasties/butterflies to cover up non-permissible body parts or images showing characters using their hands to cover up otherwise naked body parts are also not acceptable. Environmental objects (e.g. shrubberies) can be used as long as the 'sensitive' areas are sufficiently covered (the same as the cover a standard bikini would offer).

Non-human/beast races that normally wear clothes or are assumed to wear clothes in the in-game world are considered nude if they are not dressed in the uploaded image the same way that a human would be considered nude or inadequately dressed.

To better describe our idea of what images are acceptable in our public Image Share sections (on all Nexus sites) we have created a mock-up of a humanoid body with clearly defined acceptable and unacceptable skin exposure boundaries that can be found here.


No suggestive content
Images that suggest sexual activity (not including kissing) are not permitted even if the characters are fully clothed or if they are posed in such a way that the 'action' takes place outside the field of view but the sexual activity is clearly discernible.


No extreme content
Although it is covered implicitly by the prohibition of sexually suggestive images, for the sake of clarity, content that portrays extreme violence or sexual fetishes, even if no nudity is shown (including, among other things, bondage, whipping and other extreme fetishes) is also forbidden in the normal image share.

 

- if you have disabled adult content, or blocked the appropriate tags, then you should not be seeing any files with content you dislike.

 

The only reason for such files/images to still show for you, would be that the author/uploader(s) have not tagged their files and images appropriately - in such cases then it would be best to file a report so that we can adjust/correct the tags (setting the adult flag on the file status for one, if it requires it), or at least inform the mod uploader of this matter.

 

For the specific mod you have mentioned above - Mango Follower - The file is appropriately flagged as adult and that is all that is required. Further than that, it is up to the users to use the tag system to filter out any content they might not wish to see.

[skinnytecboy]

I believe that Farvat is merely kicking a few specks from the top of an ever growing anthill here. He is saying somthing that a lot of people are feeling.

 

I mean, an inny vagina on fo4 hotfiles?!

 

No disrespect to anyone, or indeed the freedom to make whatever mods a person so desires, but...

 

Just the other day I was listening to The Hoth (Hothtrooper) speaking in conversation with DDProductions83 about this very subject, and he came up with an interesting point about this taboo subject;

 

Although everyone has the right to make or use "adult" content, the problem is that it's popularity affects the outside reputation of all modders on the nexus.

 

Basically, those kiddies on Steam think this is a naughty site full of baby faced followers wearing nothing more than a tooth pick for armour.

 

But of course this isn't true...

 

Again I stress that I am in no way saying that people cant make what they want, but I would just like to defend the merit of this post if I can.

 

It's all very well saying (insert Jim Carey voice here)

 

"well if you don't like it, don't look"

 

But that does nothing to address the issue, it merely points the finger and says

 

"you're either stupid or you're a prude".

 

As this is a suggestion and feedback forum, perhaps his feedback can be discussed a little more. Perhaps people can say what they really feel about the subject.

 

 

...on your marks, get set.... go

[bethjunkie]

There are 10 million members here. Does anyone really care about what people over on Steam think? I don't nor do I care what they're talking about on Xbox Live or the PSN. I'm sure they don't give a flying protectron body about me either.

 

The tag blocking systems works well. I personally have no interest in weapon mods or ENBs so I click a couple boxes and boom, those disappear from my hotfiles and my search results. People who live for that stuff get what they want - blurry weapon porn out the wazoo- and I get what I want- anything but that. And now that blocking specific users has been added, it's a breeze to mod the Nexus to your own liking. Win win.

[Rabbit1251]

So, let me get this straight. You know about the adult content and you are aware of the safeguards to protect you from this content. Your issues are not with what you are using in your games it is about what other people are making for use in their own games and you want them to conform to your (elated) standards. Tell me, Reverend, are you with ISIS by any chance?

 

Okay, here's the answer. We remove all material from the Nexus that you and Steam do not like and leave Nexus clean. We then move the rejected creations to a different site for those who do like and use them so's not to upset anyone else. Sound fair?

 

Oh! But wait. Then you lot would come to that site with the same complaints all over again and we would just have to pick up and move yet again. Have you ever seen the musical "Paint Your Wagon"? It stars Lee Marvin and Clint Eastwood. Great movie. Well, it's plot is all about just what you are discussing here. 'Tis a shame really.

 

 

The Rabbit

Edited February 23, 2016 by Rabbit 51

[Lisnpuppy]

Exactly, 10 million people with 10 million different ideas of "acceptable" and 10 million ideas of what they want in their single, player games.

 

I have been here a long time. I have been a moderator here, a member, heck I even made a few crappy mods so I think I have covered all the bases. One of the reasons I stay is because I can with tag and filters weed out things I do not like, regardless of the reason. I sometimes see mods and shake my head in wonder at why anyone, anyone would want that thing in their game. Then I make with a clicky and BLAM...like a miracle from above it is gone!

 

You can filter adult content, you can filter tags, you can even block content based on specific mod authors. If something is not marked properly you need only report it for it to be reviewed and if necessary the appropriate tags/adult content flag will be added. If it is not you of course, are free to ask why (in a polite way.)

 

Let me explain something to everyone. Just because YOU and your friends don't like, approve, download, make, take screenshots of, find the beauty in, think is cool, think is the latest "thing", want to tape a picture of it into the inside of your locker at school or add to your desktop...doesn't mean that someone else does not find the exact opposite. I can tell you from personal experience that a great deal of time, blood, sweat and tears has gone into the Terms of Service of this site and sometimes how they apply to specific files. Moderators do not have some dart board app and toss the dart at the mod game to decide how these things go. They actually discuss and think and work it out.

 

So the answer of if you don't like it IS to filter it. If you don't like that answer is then don't let the door hit you on the way out. The Nexus is not about limiting options in most cases and tries very hard to cater to many tastes. There are rules here and it is a cooperation between the staff and the community that will keep the place standing firm on that line. If there is a mod you think crosses that then please report it. If you do not understand why it was not moderated then ask, nicely via PM as the forums is not the place for it.

 

In a place this large with as many diverse personalities and tastes it is never going to be perfect for everyone. If you have an idea for a tag or filter that will help block unwanted content then offer it up. The filtering is what makes this place work for people at an "almost" perfect place, for each individual. They are easy to change, easy to use and understand. Go ahead..try them out. I'll wait. I bet you'll actually find them useful...

[Dark0ne]

The tools exist to filter out the content you don't like, so where exactly is the actual issue?

[Farvat]

There is something covertly dystopian in your use of the tag. I find it quite chilling, that the management of a public space is to be delegated to individuals in this way. To hear you, the subject should solve moral issues, choosing simply to remove the object from its perception. Instead of opening a discussion on the question of the limits that a public space as Nexus should be established here, you resolves the issue, saying, of concealing the problem? Do not you want a certain type of content of reality? Delete it, then it acts as if it were not there! But this is absurd.
Unfortunately things do not work as well, a public space must be managed making responsible choices. The government must govern, can not say to their citizens, to conceal the problems and act as if they were not there.
You use two measures about censorship. for images you have a sexual phobic attitude really exaggerated. while for the mods you are too permissive. There is a noticeable difference in attitude that has specific reasons. the reasons are clearly economic. You use the tag tool as an alibi to hide this very aconimical attitude. This is not drama, and I understand it perfectly and noteven I judge badly for this too, this is a sign of our times.
I understand very well that this site lives on modding, and that the modding of erotic nature has now reached a size that they can not be stemmed without suffering damage of revenue. This however you do not absolve to assume a role of government and focus on what should and should not be tolerated. The case "Mango follower" exceeds what would be considered tolerable. A mod of a follower can not show up with a background depicting a female character who was raped and abused, and at the same time shows her with too sexually explicit images. Why? Because the message passing is violent and sexist because it attests that the character liked to be raped and its nature of virtual doll turns it into a universal symbol of the female victim who likes to be a victim. It is a perverse message that should be defused or simply removing the background, or by removing the explicit images without necessarily remove the mod. But the problem as it's ethical, you can not solve arguing that just hide it to resolve the issue behind a tag.
If users are not able to grasp the perverse message but on the contrary they are captured, then the authorities must intervene. If much of the users are "children", then it must act the paternalistic authority. The tool of tags does not absolve you from your role.
The world is made of shades, not black or white. I find it quite ridiculous that someone to be referred to as "Reverend" or member of ISIS, simply because he put in discussion the management and the rules of your anarchist's paradise of modding.
I am one and the best designers of female faces here on the nexus, and are the best writer of the backgrounds here. In my stories there are also rapes and violence, but never in followers that I have done I took the liberty to violate certain rules. I never use certain means from peanuts to "sell" my work.

The filter you have to do it before me, and not delegate it to my initiative. Cease to tolerate vaginas in giant size, because this disqualified your work and disqualifies the work of us as modders.

However thanks for your time, your answers and clarifications, but I will not use the tag. sorry.

[Thandal]

No one is saying you have to use the tag, so no need to apologize.

 

We are saying, "You have the power to correct what you perceive as a problem for yourself, all by yourself. If you aren't willing to do so, at least don't complain about it."

 

[bTW: The prohibition on nudity in images applies only to the general ImageShare. The "Supporters Image" area (which is age-gated because it's pay-gated) allows the same sort of content you seem to find offensive in the files areas. So there is no double-standard, simply a different mechanism for filtering who-can-see-what.]