RZ1029
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@marharth
You have a list of detainees that doesn't say why most of them are there...
For all you know, every last one of them was caught with an AK pointed at a soldiers head.
@uberman
I'm right there with you.
@Kendo
Danke.
@Wizard
in·va·sion
/ɪnˈveɪʒən/ Show Spelled[in-vey-zhuhn] Show IPA
–noun
1. an act or instance of invading or entering as an enemy, especially by an army.
Just because they didn't land thousands of troops on the beaches doesn't mean it's not an invasion. Invasion simply means entrance by an enemy, and I would consider them an enemy.
And for the record, I wasn't aware there were any true laws governing the actions of the CIA, really.
Their mandate: "sabotage, anti-sabotage, demolition and evacuation measures...subversion [and] assistance to underground resistance movements, guerrillas and refugee liberation movements, and support of indigenous anti-communist elements in threatened countries of the free world"
Sabotage, anti-sabotage... underground resistance movements... etc. and you want them to play by the book? Every country in the world has their CIA that does the dirty work nobody likes to talk about. It's a necessary evil and one that I think we handle quite well. The difference between us and most other countries, we don't shoot the reporters who start whining about what they do to give them the right to whine.
@Harbringe
What the supreme court says is what the supreme court wants to say, doesn't mean it makes it right, or wrong, for that matter.
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@ RZ1029
That is referring to spending tax money, and gitmo would not be justified by that.
Providing for the common defense. It's in the Preamble.
9-11 was not a invasion, it was a signle attack. There is a large difference between a single attack and a invasion.
It was four attacks, three were successful. And 9-11 was not the first time, the WTCs were attacked before without success.
Also I find it hard to beleive anyone can say that things that happen in gtimo are not cruel and unusual punishment.
I didn't say it wasn't. I'm also not saying I have a problem with it.
Also many of the people in gitmo were captured without being a armed enemy combatant.
Orly? And pray tell, where did you find the list of the inmates and their alleged lack of involvement? And besides, the armed ones aren't the dangerous ones, it's the head of the snake that does the most damage.
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The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.
I would call 9-11 an invasion.
I also never called them prisoners of war, nor does that excerpt say anything about prisoners of war.
They are criminals in the fact that they were conspirators in the planning or execution of the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Centers and the Pentagon, including the failed attempt at the White House.
And as they are NOT prisoners of war, as you stated, the Geneva Convention does not apply and we are not bound by it, legally, at any rate.
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Yeah, can't say I blame you, but I'm afraid I'll be taking that win for myself.
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Poor guy, you didn't read my previous post, did you? Save yourself, it's better this way.
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Greetings and many salutations good fellow forum-goer:
I am writing this to implore to you the importance of finishing reading the entirety of this post before you make a reply, as the contents of this post are so vital that, should you not know them, you could mistakenly make a very grave error that could cause a permanent rift in the Nexus. Now, as I believe I have thoroughly convinced you of the vitality of this post, I shall get to the heart of the root of the cause of the problem. You see, in fact, the cake is a lie. Because of this, everything we have known and assumed to be true up to this point cannot be trusted and the last poster will not, in fact, win. If you are the last poster, you have likely already lost, though you do not know it. I wrote this to warn you of the grave dangers at my own risk. I can only some there shall be some fool who comes along that is either ill-fated or stubborn enough to think they know better and posts, so I am no longer last and as such no longer the loser.
Now, fellow forum-goers, I say to you:
This is Sparta.
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Alright ladies and gentlemen, we're going to break this down, article-by-article, from the Preamble to the last Amendment. I was told to say that Gitmo is perfectly constitutional, so I'm going to.
Article 1-
About the only that matters here is Section 8 and 9:
SECTION 8
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
Gitmo would probably fall under common defense.
To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
To establish Post Offices and post Roads;
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
I'd call the detainment of prisoners a rule.
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
SECTION 9
The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a Tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.
The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.
UNLESS... yep, condition met. Legality achieved.
No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.
Hmm... they're just being detained, they aren't being punished. There's a difference, and blowing up civilian targets has been illegal for a while now, in case you were curious.
No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or enumeration herein before directed to be taken.
No Tax or Duty shall be laid on Articles exported from any State.
No Preference shall be given by any Regulation of Commerce or Revenue to the Ports of one State over those of another; nor shall Vessels bound to, or from, one State, be obliged to enter, clear, or pay Duties in another.
No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.
No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.
Article II:
The Presidential pecking order more or less, nothing of consequence.
Article III:
Section 3-
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
This deals with friendlies aiding the enemy, which isn't the case and this section doesn't affect inmates, but I thought it was something to note.
The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.
Article IV:
State rules and such.
Article V:
For amending this document.
Article VI:
Transitioning from the CSA to the USoA and allowances therein.
Article VII:
How to make this document official. (Ratification)
Now, on to the Ammendments:
1-12 deal with the rights of citizens.
13th-
1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
I don't think we're forcing the detainees to work in the cotton fields or anything. Let me know if I'm wrong.
14th and 15th- The detainees still aren't citizens, nothing to see here.
16th-
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
I doubt they're making money in Gitmo, but if they are, I'm sure the IRS will get their share.
17th- They don't vote, it's cool.
18th- We already repealed that.
19th- I doubt many (if any) are women, and they still aren't citizens, so no voting for them.
20th- Formality issues.
21th- 18th was a stupid idea after all, apparently.
22nd- Some administrative stuff for the Prez. I don't think they plan to run for office any time soon.
23rd- Adds DC to the electoral college... still not voting.
24th- No moar poll taxes... too bad they still can't vote.
25th- Presidential succession defined.
26th- National voting age of 18, too bad they still aren't citizens and can't vote.
27th- Congress can't give themselves on-the-spot pay raises... guess the detainees can't raise their own pay when they get elected.
Done. Gitmo is constitutional. Any more questions?
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Just a suggestion to attempt, if you have a problem with the redistributable, go onto Microsoft's website and download Visual Studio Express Edition, it's free and should install the Visual C++ and a few others too. I vaguely remember solving a problem this way in the past, though I've never played Borderlands.... yet.
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Granted, however functional, they are not.... and then they burst into a very small, controlled flame that spreads absolutely nowhere and is actually quite cool to the touch, defying every last law of science as it simply sits there and burns forever.
I wish something like that could really happen.
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Granted, it only takes out the power. Your internet works fine.
I wish the storms just kind of went away, I don't particularly care for all the flooding.
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War reparations. The Germans paid for everything, actually.
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Granted, unfortunately it's in the form of a star landing on you. And you survive... mostly.
I wish I knew how someone 'mostly' survives.
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I was thinking more along the lines of I doubt he bothered to make sure they had their due process, it was just poorly communicated.
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US Constitution, Article I:
The Congress shall have Power - To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
Better known as the Necessary and Proper clause, which just says that Congress can do what they've got to do to get the job done.
And their job, just in case you were wondering, is laid out by the Preamble of the Constitution:
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Justice, domestic tranquility, common defense, general welfare, and secure liberty (freedom)... that's about it. I'm willing to bet that during the Revolutionary War, Washington didn't bother to detain British POWs when he crossed the Delaware River to attack the Hessian encampment at Trenton, NJ.
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Could the Milgram experiment have been tempered by nobody knowing precisely what a lethal dose of electricity is? If you haven't researched or worked with it before, it's possible you wouldn't know just how dangerous a shock you were 'administering' to the learner until you heard screams. Not unless they told the teacher about the severity of the shocks prior to the beginning of the session.
That's actually a pretty legit point, I never thought about that. However, to me, the fact remains that the actors they hired were screaming in pain whenever the electricity was supposedly induced. I'd like to think that I'd stop if I heard someone screaming in pain, and would at least check on them.
But, back on-topic:
That link made me laugh, honestly. The little 'pledge' thing was so ridiculously phrased that I couldn't take it seriously. However, I'm also a by-any-means kind of guy, so I'm not really on board with treating suspected terrorists just like another case...
Reaffirm that the Espionage Act does not prohibit journalists from reporting on classified national security matters without fear of prosecution.
I think it should, personally. Classified is classified.
Prohibit the government from secretly breaking and entering our homes, tapping our phones or email, or seizing our computers without a court order, on the President's say-so alone.
I smell paranoia. I do, however, have faith in the law enforcement bodies that be that, should they tap a phone, get our emails, whatever, they are doing so with probable cause and court orders slow them down on what could be time-essential tasks.
Fully restore the right to challenge the legality of one's detention, or habeas corpus, and the right of detained suspects to be charged and brought to trial.
I'll pass on that, if you're suspected of terrorism strongly enough that they have detained you, you can chill in Gitmo for a while, not like it's much better in a war zone.
Prohibit torture and all cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment.
Ehh....
Well...
Probably shouldn't torture... but I'm willing to make exceptions.
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Granted, but I have no idea what that is, and they put me in charge of making it, so it somewhat resembles Lego Star Wars... minus the Star Wars and with worse graphics.
I wish I had Dragon Age, I heard it was pretty good.
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<snip> Just had to get some humor in here.
Neighbours son : "Dad, I have a date later, can I borrow the tank?
Neighbours dad: "Sure but be back at 10:00PM you have school tomorrow. Oh and stay protected take the one with the 40mm calibre!"
Need i say more..
/insert protection joke here
For those that are interested what may happens if you go too far... I endorse either in reading the book or watching the movie based on the same book "The Wave" from Todd Strasser. for those who know it already ..it cant be wrong to review either the book or the movie...
I actually read the book in my 8th grade history class, and for some reason, it's stuck with me quite well. The book came to mind when the topic came up, but I didn't know how well-read the book was, so I didn't mention it.
As well as reading up the Milligram experiment too. You might get the notion that George Orwell was rather an optimist as he wrote "1984"
Awesome book, just saying...
Joking commentary aside, you're right in a lot of ways. And the Milligram experiment was a bit of a mess, to say the least, but it proved the point rather... effectively, though it scarred many of the participants for life. 65% of the participants went on to deliver the 450-volt shock that required 30 wrong answers to achieve. 50 volts is all it COULD take to prove lethal, and as the electrocuted had a supposed heart condition, it was a fairly sad state of the populace address when all it took for most to go above the lethal voltage was a reassurance that they wouldn't be held responsible.
EDIT: Also, when repeated by Charles Sheridan and Richard King, they used a dog as the subject of shock, and it was real. Again, 20 of 26 went to the end, higher than the 65%. Interestingly, all of those who didn't finish were men, all 13 women went on to the highest voltage levels, though they all showed signs of extreme stress and such.
It was done so they could validate that the participants might have (somehow) known the subject of the shocks were just actors.
What really transpires in a conversation 20 years from now:
"I'm going to a Party Rally. Don't wait up." , the son announces.
The parents wisely say nothing, avoid making eye contact or showing any displeasure. Interfering would result in their beloved son reporting them to the State Police.
The cynicism, I like it. Though I would push it back further, about 30 or 40 years. The younger generation is too 'independent' to be of much use, though they're all 'independently' doing the same thing... hmm...
AND checking out '1984' from any public library in the U.S. will set off flags and get the prospective reader's name placed on a government watch list. Isn't that nice?
I'm surprised I haven't been visited by the FBI yet, I thought it was a great book and read it several times before I finally bought myself a copy.
Serious mode re-engaged. Unfortunately, I think we could eventually end up seeing something like that, though perhaps not quite so soon as Kendo predicted. Eventually you will find those dividing lines that split brother against brother, father against son, and sometimes it doesn't take much to get there. That being said, I still have some faith in humanity as a whole with the hopes that there'll be at least a few people crazy (sane) enough to do something, futile though it may be.
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Granted, but I hate FF so much that I burn every last copy that was re-made in one massive bonfire as I dance around it, chanting in Klingon.
I wish I actually knew Klingon.
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Granted, unfortunately that soft bed is covered in spikes. Good luck with that.
I wish I could could legally rob a bank.
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I've done some research, since there is some serious issue in this topic and I'm woefully ignorant of the politics on the other side of the pond, for the most part.
Coupled with the information I've been given here, in addition to what I've learned, suddenly this guy moved from the 'inappropriate' category to the 'how is he still in office' category. He's crossed a few lines too many times to have won my vote, were I Italian. In addition, some of his politics are... interesting, to say the least, but that is coming purely from an American point of view, I'm not entirely sure how Italians might view his relations with Russia, Qaddafi, and Lukashenko. Coupled with the allegations of mob involvement... a curious gentleman, that seems to fill the American idea of The Godfather.
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Granted, unfortunately you forgot about the ability to land as well, so you continue to float up and up and up until you reach the outer atmosphere and breathing becomes impossible. Then you pass out and your head explodes, in that order.
I wish I could fly and land.
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Granted, but it'll never come true because you didn't wish for it.
I wish I had four more wishes.
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I can't say that it particularly bothers me. Some things I don't like, but honestly if a sex scandal is all a President ever got into, I'd be a much happier man.
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AVG has a pretty nice free version that I like to use. You can find it at free.avg.com, but I believe CNET also has a review/download of it too, if you prefer a well-vetted source in the software community.
The free version actually has more features than they make it sound like, including a pretty cool thing called LinkScanner. You mouse over a link on say, Google search results, it'll tell you whether it's a trusted or untrusted site, whether it's a known source of cracked software or other such things that could get you into trouble, software-wise or legally.
EDIT: Also, MalwareBytes for if/when FUBAR is achieved, because no program is flawless.
Corrupt a Wish(game)
in Forum Games
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You, my friend, have the fortune of me granting your wish. However, your wish was so reprehensibly vague that I have decided to grant your wish for a million spiders to be crawling all over you as they simultaneously burst into flames while tap-dancing in spiked boots across your skin while you sink to the bottom of the ocean in your crippled submarine which has a limited supply of oxygen left and no way out as the pressure would crush you instantly.
I wish I was slightly less... morbid.