Trying to understand

[LeelooMinai]

Yanno, I remember visiting the Kansas City Zoo on vacation as a child - one of the most popular attractions was their sea lion habitat. They had quite a few of them, and they were quite the performers, and beggars. There was a vending machine nearby that would dispense a couple of small fish in a little paper cup to feed them. You could toss those fish most anywhere inside the habitat and a sea lion would catch it and swallow it whole.

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But that was a long time ago, and I don't feed sea lions anymore. Or other types of trolls.

I will use this from now on! THIS IS LEGEND. I laughed so much! xD

[BumNanner]

The fact that they aren't just raising rates or making Premium almost a necessity is proof that your "they just want money" idea is not true.

How's that line of thought going now?

[Guest deleted34304850]

Side Note: I find it HIGHLY amusing that I just got a notice from amazon that the terms of use have changed. :D

imagine a company giving you notice in your face about a change to the TOS. just imagine that.

[axonis]

 

You say that it's "practically no different then when you go on youtube" but it's actually very different because YouTube allows authors to delete their videos.

I didn't say that in that context. You should probably read the entire thing.

 

 

The point isn't your original context. The point is that even your own reference is using an example that allows authors to delete their content, like everyone does with a single exception.

 

Your demands for "reasons" is therefore baseless, but in the spirit of this ongoing thread, let me give you some:

1. I may have discovered a security issue in my mod. Many games run in privileged space for various reasons, and mods can have access to that space.
2. I may have included something embarrassing in my current version, such as comments I forgot to delete.
3. I have the right to be forgotten, and that includes my mod.
4. I may don't want to provide old versions of my mod because I want to support new developments in the modding scene and remove the option for supporting old stuff.
5. I may choose to license my mod to a hosting service that gives me a greater donation share to what my current hosting service does.
6. I may have accidentally included copyrighted content without permission from the original authors.
7. I have seen many authors uploading a file, and re-uploading a few moments later. Something clearly went wrong. There's absolutely no reason not to delete such mistakes.

[M48A5]

 

 

You say that it's "practically no different then when you go on youtube" but it's actually very different because YouTube allows authors to delete their videos.

I didn't say that in that context. You should probably read the entire thing.

 

 

The point isn't your original context. The point is that even your own reference is using an example that allows authors to delete their content, like everyone does with a single exception.

 

Your demands for "reasons" is therefore baseless, but in the spirit of this ongoing thread, let me give you some:

1. I may have discovered a security issue in my mod. Many games run in privileged space for various reasons, and mods can have access to that space.
2. I may have included something embarrassing in my current version, such as comments I forgot to delete.
3. I have the right to be forgotten, and that includes my mod.
4. I may don't want to provide old versions of my mod because I want to support new developments in the modding scene and remove the option for supporting old stuff.
5. I may choose to license my mod to a hosting service that gives me a greater donation share to what my current hosting service does.
6. I may have accidentally included copyrighted content without permission from the original authors.
7. I have seen many authors uploading a file, and re-uploading a few moments later. Something clearly went wrong. There's absolutely no reason not to delete such mistakes.

 

You missed one.

8. One of the team members was found to have uploaded inappropriate images on another site and the rest of the team does does not want to be associated with that member any longer.

Referencing: Fallout: the Frontier. Would those files have been allowed to be deleted?

Edited July 20, 2021 by M48A5

[axonis]

I definitely missed a lot but your example is an undeniable argument on its own.

[Adonsa]

Hello,

Subject: Collections, Copyrights, and Defective Master Mods

Ostensibly, it's all about collections. Given that copyrights have to be
impaired in order for collections to functions. It seems that copyrights are
the "bill payer" to give everyone magnificent collections.

What about highly popular bug ridden, non-functioning master mods?
Without naming names, there is one particular master mod that comes to mind
with tons of unresolved bug reports; yet there are many developers
who make this mod a requirement anyway. No doubt, it will get
rolled into collections.

So what's gonna happen? Will "esteemed" and popular
defective master mods yield diseased collections? Will gamers be allowed
to download the current way, or will downloading via collections
become mandatory? Will downloading become all or nothing?

If collections are so splendid and glorious, why won't Nexus
provide a video or collections simulation website, so that everyone
can collectively admire and even "cheerfully" acquiesce to a
deterioration of copyrights (before Aug 5)?

Hey, I'm just a lowly gamer, not yet a mod developer. I respect mod developers'
copyrights. I want mod developers to succeed without undue restrictions.

[Guest deleted34304850]

collections and the so-far undescribed "magic" that fuels them will fix everything.

[Deleted92948618User]

 

 

 

 

There are two things you fail to comprehend.

First, it is us authors that built Nexus Mods. Not Robin Scott. Without mod authors, Robin is just a snotty nosed teenager with a dream. But we trusted him and his word that we would always have complete control over our mods. It is only lately that we found out he lied.

 

Second, it is authors that have the gold. We have the power to turn Nexus Mods into a wasteland, leaving Robin with just the mods he has appropriated from deceased authors. The only question is whether we authors have enough fortitude to actually implement a scorched earth policy.

 

This isn't based on reality. I don't think you realize how difficult it is to run a site as large as Nexus Mods. There is a lot of work that gets put into it, way more work than most mods on this site. And it's not even just the site that they have put work into, but mod managers as well. They even created a community that is probably more willing to throw some money at mod developers than most communities out there. They even created a point system to try and give back. It's not something they ever had to do, but they did. You are not going to find that pretty much anywhere else.

 

And if you think it's strictly the mod authors that built this site. Then go ahead, build a competing site. No one is stopping you from doing so.

 

Now as for whether or not you can scorch it all. Sorry, but that would require way more mod authors being on your side. It isn't about "fortitude" it's about a difference of opinion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There are two things you fail to comprehend.

First, it is us authors that built Nexus Mods. Not Robin Scott. Without mod authors, Robin is just a snotty nosed teenager with a dream. But we trusted him and his word that we would always have complete control over our mods. It is only lately that we found out he lied.

 

Second, it is authors that have the gold. We have the power to turn Nexus Mods into a wasteland, leaving Robin with just the mods he has appropriated from deceased authors. The only question is whether we authors have enough fortitude to actually implement a scorched earth policy.

 

This isn't based on reality. I don't think you realize how difficult it is to run a site as large as Nexus Mods. There is a lot of work that gets put into it, way more work than most mods on this site. And it's not even just the site that they have put work into, but mod managers as well. They even created a community that is probably more willing to throw some money at mod developers than most communities out there. They even created a point system to try and give back. It's not something they ever had to do, but they did. You are not going to find that pretty much anywhere else.

 

And if you think it's strictly the mod authors that built this site. Then go ahead, build a competing site. No one is stopping you from doing so.

 

Now as for whether or not you can scorch it all. Sorry, but that would require way more mod authors being on your side. It isn't about "fortitude" it's about a difference of opinion.

 

No one is discounting the effort required to keep this site going, however, without mod authors, it wouldn't be here. At all. There would be no reason for it.

 

Ya, but the same can be true if you remove any factor. Without users, mod authors wouldn't upload it as there would be no point and they certainly wouldn't get any recognition, donations, or anything really. Without some site like this, the mod authors wouldn't have a place to upload it too, or they may not get the traffic that comes from a site like this.

 

Functionally none of it can really work as well as it does missing any piece.

 

 

 

Nexus mods started in 2001/2 with one teeny who thought a fan site and later a mod sharing site would be cool. And with that, Nexus mods was born. It wasn't Nexus mods then, it was Morrowind Chronicles and TESSoucre. But it grew as more authors got together to share their mods with each other and to share what they knew. It was authors who created the foundation for nexus, and it is mod authors which keep it alive. Users are secondary and probably tertiary to the work of most mod authors.

 

Personally, I make mods for me. Not users, and certainly not for nexus. And when pressed, most authors will tell you the same. There are other sites where mod authors congregate to share our work with each other. Sites without users to tell us who and what we are. Sites where we can share what we learn and talk about mods and modding. Sites without the constant pestering of entitled users who think they are our sole reason for existence. The ONLY thing that nexus has going for it, is that it is the largest site of it's kind. But, it is certainly not the only site of it's kind. And no, I will not name them here, lest they be discovered and inundated by users like yourself.

 

Finally, this current debacle isn't about much more than an aversion to Robin's duplicity. Robin has told authors since the days of Morrowind Chronicles and TESSoucre that Authors owned their work and would always have complete control over their content. Turns out, Robin lied. He has changed his mind and now feels perfectly entitled to take ownership or the content created by authors and to keep that appropriated content to improve his corporate profitability. Robin has gone from mod author, in it for fun, to entitled mod user, in it for himself and some money.

 

So prattle on in your ignorance. Your posts demonstrate quite clearly you have no understanding or comprehension of the issues involved, the history behind the issues, or the people involved. They also demonstrate that you have no wish to actually understand the issues, but are here simply to troll.

Edited July 20, 2021 by Guest

[Ladez]

Without users, mod authors wouldn't upload it as there would be no point and they certainly wouldn't get any recognition, donations, or anything really. Without some site like this, the mod authors wouldn't have a place to upload it too, or they may not get the traffic that comes from a site like this.

If I wanted money and recognition I sure as s#*! wouldn't be modding someone else's product. I would be creating my own.

 

But sure, go ahead and commodify mods if that's what you want. I'll take my hobby elsewhere.