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[showler]

Unfortunately I doubt I will have the privliedge of bringing that up then. Can I trust you to do so, or find someone else?

No idea who will be selected to help with the beta test. Probably have some ideas who is NOT on the list anymore, though.

 

I doubt they'll discuss the beta test until after things have settled down over all this mess.

 

 

So there is no way to design a new system that offers that?

Opt out? Putting in an opt-out option is technically easy for their own Collections system, but the API is designed to give other software the ability to download from Nexus in the same way that Vortex does. Philosophically, they are against restricting other programs just as much as they are against restricting Vortex.

[HadToRegister]

 

That doesn't mean I think mod authors are being 10000% reasonable here. In particular, it makes no sense and is really mean to make the argument that people should have to struggle to learn how to do something that we all love just because we did .After all, we live in a world where technology is advancing at a remarkable rate, so it makes sense for someone to streamline the creation of load orders to make it as user friendly as possible.

 

 

 

 

I wanted to learn how to make glow maps for Fallout 3, all I could find was an old tutorial on how to make glow maps for Oblivion

With the tutorial I didn't learn how to make glow maps in a matter of hours, I learned how to make glow maps, over a period of WEEKS, starting over when I screwed up, or when the instructions weren't exactly clear.

Making the glow maps also took several hours, and making textures took hours as well, however, NOW I know how to make textures and glow maps.

If somebody did it for me, I would still have no idea.

 

If a mod list needs trouble shooting, the average mod list downloader isn't going to know what's causing any conflict and will either approach the Mod Author, or Mod List maker, and you can go look in the Forum Rules and Warnings section so see how some people handle THAT.

 

Teach a man to fish and all that, y'know?

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And yet, it is the mod authors who will sacrifice the most, will they not? This is why I don't blame them for being upset at how NM has handled this.

 

Yes, I read the announcement, so I know their reasoning for the removal of deletions. To be fair, it does sound like they've implemented this in a way that makes it as hard as possible for people to access archived files outside of collections. So they do get a little bit of credit there. My thing is I can't see why it wouldn't be the right thing to do to just accept it if a mod author didn't want to have their mod be part of a collection. There are all sorts of free tutorials online that teach people how to make their own mods, after all.

The amount the mod author is sacrificing is the largest subject of debate. To some, the removal of deletions (along with the rather questionable "edit" rights) amounts to taking ownership of the mods. To others, like me, it's another restriction on your rights akin to the inability to sell your mods, which is less than taking ownership. It has to be the mod authors decision whether or not it is going too far.

 

The "no opt-out" thing is because you can't opt-out of any of the other Collection like systems. They would rather lose mod authors who don't agree with them than create a system that is hamstrung from the outset by being more limited in available mods than the other choices.

So there is no way to design a new system that offers that?

yes there is. again, its a strawman argument thrown about by people who want people who aren't technical to think there is no choice. there's always choice.

[KamariBVB]

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Unfortunately I doubt I will have the privliedge of bringing that up then. Can I trust you to do so, or find someone else?

No idea who will be selected to help with the beta test. Probably have some ideas who is NOT on the list anymore, though.

 

I doubt they'll discuss the beta test until after things have settled down over all this mess.

 

 

So there is no way to design a new system that offers that?

Opt out? Putting in an opt-out option is technically easy for their own Collections system, but the API is designed to give other software the ability to download from Nexus in the same way that Vortex does. Philosophically, they are against restricting other programs just as much as they are against restricting Vortex.

And therein lies the crux of the problem. And before I forget, even if we assume that Robin wasn't being totally dishonest when offering that removal grace period, I'm still against this. Mainly because there's no guarantee that mod authors will have a chance to find out what is going on before august 5th. People have lives outside of modding, after all, and I don't think they should be punished for that.

(what was up with the fine print on the removal request form? Looked suspiciously like the form wasn't to request what we were lead to believe at all, but rather, the same thing it'll be when august fifth passes. It doesn't help that the admin didn't clearly answer a question about this in a different thread before locking it down.

So, the million dollar question to the admins: if we fill out the form and respond to your follow up prior to august 5th, will you remove any and all traces of the mods we tell you to delete from this website, yes or no?

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So, the million dollar question to the admins: if we fill out the form and respond to your follow up prior to august 5th, will you remove any and all traces of the mods we tell you to delete from this website, yes or no?

this has been answered. not clearly and not in basic yes/no format, but its been answered.

[KamariBVB]

 

So, the million dollar question to the admins: if we fill out the form and respond to your follow up prior to august 5th, will you remove any and all traces of the mods we tell you to delete from this website, yes or no?

this has been answered. not clearly and not in basic yes/no format, but its been answered.

 

When did I say it hasn't been answered? I think this is a reasonable question to ask, given that I got the impression that Robin thought that the fact that he/she/they and the others gave mod authors a grace period to delete mods, combined with their intentions, would excuse their lack of allowing people to properly consent to this matter.

Edited July 21, 2021 by KamariBVB

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So, the million dollar question to the admins: if we fill out the form and respond to your follow up prior to august 5th, will you remove any and all traces of the mods we tell you to delete from this website, yes or no?

this has been answered. not clearly and not in basic yes/no format, but its been answered.

 

When did I say it hasn't been answered? I think this is a reasonable question to ask, given that I got the impression that Robin thought that the fact that he/she/they and the others gave mod authors a grace period to delete mods, combined with their intentions, would excuse their lack of allowing people to properly consent to this matter.

 

as far as i can tell, you never said about it not being answered. yes it is a reasonable question to ask, but as it's already been answered elsewhere, it won't get answered here just because you asked it.

but by all means, ask away.

just don't expect any answers because, like probably 99% of the users on this website, you're irrelevant. (just like me).

[KamariBVB]

 

 

 

So, the million dollar question to the admins: if we fill out the form and respond to your follow up prior to august 5th, will you remove any and all traces of the mods we tell you to delete from this website, yes or no?

this has been answered. not clearly and not in basic yes/no format, but its been answered.

 

When did I say it hasn't been answered? I think this is a reasonable question to ask, given that I got the impression that Robin thought that the fact that he/she/they and the others gave mod authors a grace period to delete mods, combined with their intentions, would excuse their lack of allowing people to properly consent to this matter.

 

as far as i can tell, you never said about it not being answered. yes it is a reasonable question to ask, but as it's already been answered elsewhere, it won't get answered here just because you asked it.

but by all means, ask away.

just don't expect any answers because, like probably 99% of the users on this website, you're irrelevant. (just like me).

 

I wonder if admins will still think I'm irrelevant once I release a tutorial about how to use github to upload mod files, and then work together with a influential Modder to create a social media group where all the links to the repos could go?

[Guest deleted34304850]

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go for it. i think that will really show them you mean business.

[KamariBVB]

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go for it. i think that will really show them you mean business.

If you know of any modders who would want to help out, or simply want to learn, feel free to direct them to my pms on here. I'm intending to post a video somewhere about this process.