Vortex keeps purging when I download and install a mod

[showler]

1 hour ago, Zanderat said:

Most nonconstructive answer, ever.   Software has bugs, even MO2.  People in this thread are trying to troubleshoot a solution to a specific but not universal issue.  I am actually surprised at you @AugustaCalidia

Nonsense.  Someone mentioned wanting to try MO2 and not being able to find it and they provided a pointer to it.  That's polite and helpful, not problematic.

Nobody wants to force someone to use Vortex if they would like to try one of the alternatives.

[TennesseeTuxedo]

18 hours ago, Pickysaurus said:

When you generate a backup the notification has a button to save a copy. You can put that anywhere on your HDD.

Aha!  Yes, the message with the button appears for approximately 2 seconds then promptly disappears so that is why I missed it.  Literally, it is hard to press the button in time before the message disappears forever.  Any reason why this message disappears when all the others stay until you dismiss them?

[Pickysaurus]

2 minutes ago, TennesseeTuxedo said:

Aha!  Yes, the message with the button appears for approximately 2 seconds then promptly disappears so that is why I missed it.  Literally, it is hard to press the button in time before the message disappears forever.  Any reason why this message disappears when all the others stay until you dismiss them?

We can look at putting a longer timeout on it. It's just how it was originally set up. We used to have a means to send your state file a different way, but that no longer works for users who have big mod lists. 

[TennesseeTuxedo]

On the topic of extensions, another area where it seems like we users are being blamed for having this problem. 

Other than maybe Starfield and Harry Potter I did not install a single extension, yet I have somewhere around 100 of them.  I have dozens for games I don't even have on my computer.  And a dozen or so more I have, I have no clue what they even do.  @Zanderat showed his extension and it was trim, on one page.  Do most people smartly keep an eye on this and throw away whatever junk Vortex is installing there?  Is it possible when I was a BETA user for Vortex it installed all this?

 

 

[showler]

There's a bunch of extensions that are part of Vortex.  Most are hidden behind the "show bundled" button but a few that are in current development are visible all the time.

Those extensions can't be removed.  They'll just reinstall themselves.  That's on purpose because them being there is important.  Even if you don't have the game, you might get it at some point.

There is no downside to them being there.

[TennesseeTuxedo]

1 hour ago, showler said:

Nonsense.  Someone mentioned wanting to try MO2 and not being able to find it and they provided a pointer to it.  That's polite and helpful, not problematic.

Nobody wants to force someone to use Vortex if they would like to try one of the alternatives.

I appreciate the link that is helpful.

I honestly don't think this will be resolved by the Vortex crew.  Its been 5 weeks since first reported with no progress, and there is a chorus of people on here whose job, voluntary or otherwise it is to try to position these problems as the users fault, or that because only a dozen or so reported it on here, that is the only people with the problem and so it's not much concern, which is a bad assumption.  If you read the threads on Nexus, REDDIT or anywhere Vortex is well recognized as problematic with Starfield.  It's not helpful to the effort to not recognize and try to rectify that.  Yesterday I was watching a video of one of the top modders of Starfield showing his wares and he was telling people don't trust or use Vortex, that it has messed up his game "in a myriad of ways".  I had more faith until I got to this forum.

One thing that would help us solve it ourselves, we need to see more detail in the logs to show what Vortex is doing.  Like I don't believe it takes 8 minutes to purge what it is supposedly purging (that is shouldn't be), it's taking some long circuitous route that has one single summary debug message associated with it.  It would give a lot of clues to see more detail of that.  Is there a verbose option that might give us more detail?  I'm a programmer, modder, and problem solver, if it's open source, I don't have a problem editing and compiling a copy, filling it will debug statements to track it down.

[TennesseeTuxedo]

8 minutes ago, showler said:

There's a bunch of extensions that are part of Vortex.  Most are hidden behind the "show bundled" button but a few that are in current development are visible all the time.

Those extensions can't be removed.  They'll just reinstall themselves.  That's on purpose because them being there is important.  Even if you don't have the game, you might get it at some point.

There is no downside to them being there.

There was a message on this forum I think from @Pickysaurus saying we need to uninstall these extensions.  It seemed to imply that the problem could be in those.  Obviously it would not be all of them, probably just one.  I uninstalled everything recognizable, like for games I don't have, and that didn't do anything to help.  My next step is to remove all conflicts that Vortex has fixed in rules.  There seems to be an implication that conflicts cause this behavior, even if Vortex is supposedly handling them.

[showler]

You needed to uninstall extensions that you added.  Not the ones that come bundled with Vortex.

Occasionally, you might be asked to remove a bundled extension, but only to force Vortex to re-download it if the copy you have is corrupted somehow.  There is no way to permanently remove a bundled extension without interrupting the function of Vortex itself.

Also, and just for clarity, Starfield is a mess when it comes to modding both because Bethesda changed some pretty fundamental methods involved in modding and because there is no official modding support yet.  Starfield has issues with every mod manager and they all needed to find a way to work around the changes.

[F9thRet]

Hello all, I seem to be having the same problem, or something very close to it. Every time I add a new mod, even say an armor mod, Vortex purges, removes SKSE, Fast SMP, Bodyslide and outfit Studio, and Fnis. Now the files are still there in the vortex download folder, but vortex removes them from Skyrim. For example, I can go to the dash board, and hit edit for SKSE, and nope, not in the game file at all. I have to reinstall SKSE, and the others, and then go back, and add them via the dash board.

[showler]

Interesting.  Aren't all those "injector type" mods that get installed to the main folder rather than the data folder?  Or am I incorrect about that?