oldspice2625 Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Firstly, I wouldn't be bogged down by Bethesda's poor writing and plot. I'd ditch that little brat because I wouldn't give a damn about him. I'd assume he was dead anyways and move on.. That's cold, but that's life. You ensure your own survival first, then move on to others, if preferable. You can't put out someone else's fire until you put out your own. Second, I'd judge whether or not Preston's group was worth saving, or if the raiders would offer a better deal, side with the better out of which gives me more reward, then proceed. Morals don't apply in this world. People want you to be a goodie two shoes that does what's best for people. WOuld they do good for you? No. They'd kill you and take your s#*! and sell it or use it. Screw them. Too many people are blinded by what the "Script of Society" tells you what's good and what you should do. Ensure your own preservation and happiness, hopefully not at the cost of others, but it's your life, you need to live it and live it well. If that means an SOB needs to take a dirt nap, then you do it, because f*#@ him that's why. First thing I'd do after getting my bearings is finding a good place to crash, then I'd worry about water, since you'll die in about three days without drinking water or any fluid source to replenish yourself, then I'd worry about food, then I'd venture out once those need were met to find a better situation and set up. Again, the institute provides everything that you need to survive. The others can't do that as well. They are nothing more than high tech scavvers at best, and a hopeless dead weight cause at worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Userper Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Firstly, I wouldn't be bogged down by Bethesda's poor writing and plot. I'd ditch that little brat because I wouldn't give a damn about him. I'd assume he was dead anyways and move on.. That's cold, but that's life. You ensure your own survival first, then move on to others, if preferable. You can't put out someone else's fire until you put out your own. Second, I'd judge whether or not Preston's group was worth saving, or if the raiders would offer a better deal, side with the better out of which gives me more reward, then proceed. Morals don't apply in this world. People want you to be a goodie two shoes that does what's best for people. WOuld they do good for you? No. They'd kill you and take your s*** and sell it or use it. Screw them. Too many people are blinded by what the "Script of Society" tells you what's good and what you should do. Ensure your own preservation and happiness, hopefully not at the cost of others, but it's your life, you need to live it and live it well. If that means an SOB needs to take a dirt nap, then you do it, because f*** him that's why. First thing I'd do after getting my bearings is finding a good place to crash, then I'd worry about water, since you'll die in about three days without drinking water or any fluid source to replenish yourself, then I'd worry about food, then I'd venture out once those need were met to find a better situation and set up. Again, the institute provides everything that you need to survive. The others can't do that as well. They are nothing more than high tech scavvers at best, and a hopeless dead weight cause at worse. lol your right that is pretty cold, you are kinda right though. Assuming I could survive(unlikely) I would still hunt down Kellog, you know the whole avenge your wife thing, after that, all bets would be off. Firstly I would attempt to take over the minutemen, then negotiate an alliance with the brotherhood, essentially aligning the two groups to the same goal, wiping out the institute and stabilizing the commonwealth. Then I would attempt to rally the rest of the commonwealth against the institute, taking over radio stations, to essentially push out your propaganda (being that radio is the only really media still out there) making the bos in their synth hate seem justified, and boosting the Minuteman's numbers.Unfortunately the railroad would still need to be dealt with (the whole terminators are human too thing... ).The rest just follows the main plot, i.e invading the institute ending the threat. Oh, and the whole shawn thing... the dude is clearly a synth... and even if he isn't the dude is a mass murderer, kinda clear what needs to be done there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirTwist Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Aside from ghoulification, if the water in the vault was alright, no radiation from that source, and I could secure food stuffs that aren't irradiated from where ever, I would choose Codsworth and Dogmeat as my companions, with perhaps Piper, Nat, and perhaps a couple other people, to live with me. I say make peace with the raiders, if I can, and the gunners, as well as the Institute, BoS, and Minutemen. Enough peace that the Gunners/Raiders kill off super mutants, bugs, vermin, ghouls, and each other. The BoS to do heavy lifting and radioactive clean up, while the Institute/Railroad use the synths to work everything and make sure places stay clear. The Minutemen would be there to protect things, and make sure the supply lines are all good. I would out the leaders of the Institute to death, especially the secret police. Then move Maxson, and Danse, away from the area. Garvey can do all the scut work I am supposed with the minutemen, since I am the general. Set up a runs to other places I could, and start getting stuff really back in order. The BoS either shares it's tech, or they can go away. The Institute has no choice but to share. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomomi1922 Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Firstly, I wouldn't be bogged down by Bethesda's poor writing and plot. I'd ditch that little brat because I wouldn't give a damn about him. I'd assume he was dead anyways and move on.. That's cold, but that's life. You ensure your own survival first, then move on to others, if preferable. You can't put out someone else's fire until you put out your own. Second, I'd judge whether or not Preston's group was worth saving, or if the raiders would offer a better deal, side with the better out of which gives me more reward, then proceed. Morals don't apply in this world. People want you to be a goodie two shoes that does what's best for people. WOuld they do good for you? No. They'd kill you and take your s*** and sell it or use it. Screw them. Too many people are blinded by what the "Script of Society" tells you what's good and what you should do. Ensure your own preservation and happiness, hopefully not at the cost of others, but it's your life, you need to live it and live it well. If that means an SOB needs to take a dirt nap, then you do it, because f*** him that's why. First thing I'd do after getting my bearings is finding a good place to crash, then I'd worry about water, since you'll die in about three days without drinking water or any fluid source to replenish yourself, then I'd worry about food, then I'd venture out once those need were met to find a better situation and set up. Again, the institute provides everything that you need to survive. The others can't do that as well. They are nothing more than high tech scavvers at best, and a hopeless dead weight cause at worse. Again, you talk like you knew the entire game ahead of yourself. You are that kind of realist and survivalist type of person. But you don't just wake up to instantly grasp the situation of the new world. If anything, you are still shaken and trying to process the information that you saw a nuclear explosion while heading to Vault 111 and saw your son taken away. To others, it has been 200+ years, to you, it was like "5 minutes ago". You simply have no reference of what a "post-apocalyptic world" means. Did you get such info from watching Walking Dead or some other zombie movies? But in Fallout, I don't think showbiz was that advanced to even have great TV shows. So technically you have no reference, or maybe from one of those magazine/comic books. But even that you did play Fallout 4 (somehow) before plunging yourself into Fallout 4 world and know exactly what to expect, when you will encounter Preston, oh there is a Dogmeat, and there is a Handybot named Curie behind Vault 84.... even knowing it all, you can't simply just "flip a switch" and become who you want to be, instantly. You probably will become what you said about a lot deeper down the line, giving the speech of "morals don't apply..." For saving Preston, why not? It's not like you got better things to do. To stay loyal and give good regard to Preston and his ideology is another thing. But for your archtype of personality (I didn't mean to say "people like you"), you would be more opportunistic in the name of survival. You likely ditch the Minute Man the moment you see a better "offer". In your rationality, these guys have big ideal but with too little mean to do it. Aside from ghoulification, if the water in the vault was alright, no radiation from that source, and I could secure food stuffs that aren't irradiated from where ever, I would choose Codsworth and Dogmeat as my companions, with perhaps Piper, Nat, and perhaps a couple other people, to live with me. I say make peace with the raiders, if I can, and the gunners, as well as the Institute, BoS, and Minutemen. Enough peace that the Gunners/Raiders kill off super mutants, bugs, vermin, ghouls, and each other. The BoS to do heavy lifting and radioactive clean up, while the Institute/Railroad use the synths to work everything and make sure places stay clear. The Minutemen would be there to protect things, and make sure the supply lines are all good. I would out the leaders of the Institute to death, especially the secret police. Then move Maxson, and Danse, away from the area. Garvey can do all the scut work I am supposed with the minutemen, since I am the general. Set up a runs to other places I could, and start getting stuff really back in order. The BoS either shares it's tech, or they can go away. The Institute has no choice but to share. You seem to be wrong about the Raiders. If I am correct, they are just random bandits. They have no organization, no representation, no structure. So just because you make friend with some Joe and his 2 brothers in this building ambushing drifters, doesn't mean the Raiders at the next town recognize you as anything other than their victim. It's like in real life you simply label all the bad guys "Criminal" doesn't mean you can make deal with one of them and suddenly the rest of the criminals would recognize that deal. So unlike a highly organized institution like BoS or Institute, you can't simply "make peace" to the Raiders. They are weak minded folks you can bully and enslave if you see fit. But you would have to do it 1 raider group at a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted2433418User Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 It´s not an easy question..but my take on things considered,I´d probably join the BoS..I don´t give a rats ass for Settlers or Minutemen anymore.. Preston Garvey can go hang himself for all i care and the Settlers??..Holy maloney! Do they do anything?? besides lounging,scrounging and bein lazy gits with no more incentive to work than an average hipster?? I mean, come-on!.. wash yourselves,clean your freaking houses and get rid of the crap in the streets!.. lazy,goodfornuthing bums!..the Institute gives me the creeps..Humans as the Masters and Slave-labour galore... yuks!..Science is fine Scientists with power is a recipe for disaster or total regulation of your life.. I mean i live in a world now thats being so regulated by arsewipes who think they are in their right to tell me how to live..(don´t smoke,don´t drink,don´t eat meat,don´t hurt anybodys feeeeelingzzzes)...If the world as we know it ended i´d light up a cigar,open a bottle of Vodka and just say "Thank God!!"... moving on... The Railroad??.. I know i´m supposed to feel all gooey and warm when they save the poor synths and yap about all lives matter.."BLOW ME!!"..I hate the creepy Synths,i murder Raiders and obliterate any Ghoul i come across..and the Super-Mutants?.. I gladly make a detour from my planned route just to kill the sumb*thces..I absolutely hate the dumbass F*cks...so I´m left with the Brotherhood..Like an Errant Knight in medieval Europe I´d sign up with the Strongest leader and thereby advance my self and my familys future..sure they have the rattiest uniforms in the world..who in their right mind would think a shitcoloured jumpsuit is just the ticket??..clearly it was not an European who designed that piece of "ohmyGod"...So Brotherhood it is.. after killing Marcy Long,kicking her husbands ass for being a p*ssy and telling Garvey to stuff it...only one of that crew worth his salt is Sturges.. and mama Murphy?..i+d leave her to her junkie-heaven..."Life's a b*tch and if you don't die now ...you will,I guarantee it " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boombro Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 It´s not an easy question..but my take on things considered,I´d probably join the BoS..I don´t give a rats ass for Settlers or Minutemen anymore.. Preston Garvey can go hang himself for all i care and the Settlers??..Holy maloney! Do they do anything?? besides lounging,scrounging and bein lazy gits with no more incentive to work than an average hipster?? I mean, come-on!.. wash yourselves,clean your freaking houses and get rid of the crap in the streets!.. lazy,goodfornuthing bums!..the Institute gives me the creeps..Humans as the Masters and Slave-labour galore... yuks!..Science is fine Scientists with power is a recipe for disaster or total regulation of your life.. I mean i live in a world now thats being so regulated by arsewipes who think they are in their right to tell me how to live..(don´t smoke,don´t drink,don´t eat meat,don´t hurt anybodys feeeeelingzzzes)...If the world as we know it ended i´d light up a cigar,open a bottle of Vodka and just say "Thank God!!"... moving on... The Railroad??.. I know i´m supposed to feel all gooey and warm when they save the poor synths and yap about all lives matter.."*ban me*!!"..I hate the creepy Synths,i murder Raiders and obliterate any Ghoul i come across..and the Super-Mutants?.. I gladly make a detour from my planned route just to kill the sumb*thces..I absolutely hate the dumbass F*cks...so I´m left with the Brotherhood..Like an Errant Knight in medieval Europe I´d sign up with the Strongest leader and thereby advance my self and my familys future..sure they have the rattiest uniforms in the world..who in their right mind would think a shitcoloured jumpsuit is just the ticket??..clearly it was not an European who designed that piece of "ohmyGod"...So Brotherhood it is.. after killing Marcy Long,kicking her husbands ass for being a p*ssy and telling Garvey to stuff it...only one of that crew worth his salt is Sturges.. and mama Murphy?..i+d leave her to her junkie-heaven..."Life's a b*tch and if you don't die now ...you will,I guarantee it "You sound more like a guy who would build a shack somewhere, barrack it walls and will shoot anything coming close while getting high of jet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted2948850User Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 About the access log, I doubt Kellog would bother to sign in. Besides, like I said ... your baby may have been gone for 15 minutes, if you didn't hurry (instead playing treasure hunt inside the Vault) your baby will be gone much farther. I am not saying you have to charge into certain death meaningless death. But there has to be a good amount of impulse with the lack of information and some faith (or wishful thinking). And seriously, how much is enough preparation? *Snip*Right you are. Though Kellogg doesn't really need to be signed in, you just need the date your spouse's pod was last accessed ;] Enough preparation in my eyes is knowing what you're getting yourself into and procuring means for your immediate survival. Anyway, shouldn't be too hard for the male pc with his (recent) military background. He's probably been trained to deal with a fallout, considering the war was a 'cold war' scenario. As for the female pc, since it's played out through my eyes, I'll probably have taught her a thing or two =] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomomi1922 Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 About the access log, I doubt Kellog would bother to sign in. Besides, like I said ... your baby may have been gone for 15 minutes, if you didn't hurry (instead playing treasure hunt inside the Vault) your baby will be gone much farther. I am not saying you have to charge into certain death meaningless death. But there has to be a good amount of impulse with the lack of information and some faith (or wishful thinking). And seriously, how much is enough preparation? *Snip*Right you are. Though Kellogg doesn't really need to be signed in, you just need the date your spouse's pod was last accessed ;] Enough preparation in my eyes is knowing what you're getting yourself into and procuring means for your immediate survival. Anyway, shouldn't be too hard for the male pc with his (recent) military background. He's probably been trained to deal with a fallout, considering the war was a 'cold war' scenario. As for the female pc, since it's played out through my eyes, I'll probably have taught her a thing or two =] In the right mind I would do some preparation too. Once I realize I can't locate Shaun within a few hours, I know I will be in for a much longer quest. So yeah, I totally agree with you that food + water preparation becomes an immediate requirement on my mind. Then however I discover there is such a thing called "Rad storm" .... I will need to figure out some what to minimize its effect. And last but not least, gather some sort of self defense equipment upon realizing the locals can be quite murderous. That is probably the 4 things before I head out to Diamond City. Concord on the other hand is part of the 4 process. You encounter raiders the first time in Concord right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethreon Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Oh sorry I thought you were talking about as soon as you exist the pod. First thing exiting the pod anyone would do is choke, spit their lungs, choke more, crawl, freeze and cry. You've just been awaken abruptly from a process that might as well be imperfect (bunch of other people died without reason if I recall right). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOriginalEvilD Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 You seem to be wrong about the Raiders. If I am correct, they are just random bandits. They have no organization, no representation, no structure. So just because you make friend with some Joe and his 2 brothers in this building ambushing drifters, doesn't mean the Raiders at the next town recognize you as anything other than their victim. It's like in real life you simply label all the bad guys "Criminal" doesn't mean you can make deal with one of them and suddenly the rest of the criminals would recognize that deal. So unlike a highly organized institution like BoS or Institute, you can't simply "make peace" to the Raiders. They are weak minded folks you can bully and enslave if you see fit. But you would have to do it 1 raider group at a time. I'm not sure about that either. In FO4 they do seem to be less organized, but there are a lot of references in past games about "joining the Raiders" etc, where the term Raiders is used both as a description "we're being attacked by Raiders" and more as an affiliation "I joined the Raiders". Some references use Raiders just as a word describing people who raid, while others make them sound like a gang. I lean more towards the generic use of the word, since there are also a lot of examples of Raider groups/gangs competing with rival groups where it seems like the unity is based more on the gang leaders and less about Raiders as a whole being a large group. So, as for making deals with them I think you might be able to make a deal with a particular group of Raiders and that group's leader, but that won't guarantee you amnesty for all Raiders in the Commonwealth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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