Do You Think the Delayed Creation Kit Will Have a Long Term Negative Effect on Modding?

[PoliteRaider]

This is an old article but it is something to chew on. Pete Hines LOVES paid modding.

 

Oh thankyou, I never saw this at the time, it's good to get a glimpse at what they're thinking since Bethesda have been so quiet on the issue.

[mac2636]

This is an old article but it is something to chew on. Pete Hines LOVES paid modding.

Its always been funny to me how Beth feels mod users (who gain nothing financially from using mods) should pay for mods, but they (the ones who've seen significant financial gains from mod authors' works) not only don't owe mod authors anything, but are actually entitled to a significant portion of the proceeds.

[WursWaldo]

The 'word on the street' is FO4 mods won't be hosted at SteamWorkShop. Everything MIGHT be going through Bethesda.net.

[Reneer]

Its always been funny to me how Beth feels mod users (who gain nothing financially from using mods) should pay for mods, but they (the ones who've seen significant financial gains from mod authors' works) not only don't owe mod authors anything, but are actually entitled to a significant portion of the proceeds.

Mod users also gain nothing financially from buying Fallout 4. :tongue:

 

And yes, we owe Bethesda some kickback because we are literally playing in their sandbox. Our work would not have any audience (certainly not the size of Fallout / TES audience) if we were simply writing scripts that didn't work within the existing framework or textures that didn't go onto a mesh. You can of course make money as a programmer, a graphics artist, or a 3D modeler, but then you are competing against pretty much everyone else.

[WursWaldo]

I think Bethesda will put a moratorium on mods not made with their official software. They'll probably do that when they update the game for the CK release. Or else they will reconfigure the steam_api.dll to force the game into safe mode until it is updated. One way or another Bethesda will make people update their games and when that happens the boot legged mods available here at Nexus won't work or they'll make the game crash. All of the current mods that have esp or esm files will have to be updated.

 

Bethesda is going to attempt to control modding. I'm not saying they will try to 'shut down Nexus' or any other fan site, but they will make it to where people won't have a choice but to update their games and comply with the revised EULA that we all know is coming. Once that happens almost anything is possible since Bethesda is already claiming they own everything made that works with the game. Nothing can be done so just roll with it.

[zilav]

I think Bethesda will put a moratorium on mods not made with their official software.

It is impossible to determine what software a mod was made with.

[chucksteel]

 

I think Bethesda will put a moratorium on mods not made with their official software.

It is impossible to determine what software a mod was made with.

 

 

and chew on this for a few. What percentage of the market is really PC users? PC users are also the mod authors and creators.

 

If they stifle us there shooting there master plan in the foot!!!!!

 

The real market is all the people that play on Xbox and PS4, not the few who use PC's and create mods.

 

I have no fears about Beth trying to control the mods or how there made. They need us as much as we need them!

Edited March 28, 2016 by chucksteel

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I think Bethesda will put a moratorium on mods not made with their official software.

It is impossible to determine what software a mod was made with.

 

Umm... then why is Automatron the only one that shows on the Add-Ons page in-game? Near as I can tell it's just an esm. None of the other esm show up (and like every other mod so far will get automatically disabled if you use the vanilla launcher).

 

I'm tellin' ya; there's gonna be some major changes in how modding works for Bethesda games, and it's not just that 'woohoo consoles can run mods'.

[mac2636]

 

Its always been funny to me how Beth feels mod users (who gain nothing financially from using mods) should pay for mods, but they (the ones who've seen significant financial gains from mod authors' works) not only don't owe mod authors anything, but are actually entitled to a significant portion of the proceeds.

Mod users also gain nothing financially from buying Fallout 4. :tongue:

 

And yes, we owe Bethesda some kickback because we are literally playing in their sandbox. Our work would not have any audience (certainly not the size of Fallout / TES audience) if we were simply writing scripts that didn't work within the existing framework or textures that didn't go onto a mesh. You can of course make money as a programmer, a graphics artist, or a 3D modeler, but then you are competing against pretty much everyone else.

You first point has no relevance except to try and start an argument that's been had many times before. I've written that mod authors shouldn't be compensated by users.

 

Your 2nd point makes no sense to me. Why do authors owe anything to Beth? Does Beth pay royalties to Microsoft, AMD, Nvidia, the designers of papyrus, the creators of the 3d modeling and animation programs they used to create FO4? I imagine they don't. They just by the proper licenses to use those original programs.

 

No one is lining up to try to force Beth to use one specific distrubution platform and take a cut of their profits from the sale of FO4. Yet that is exactly what they want to do. It is an attempt to circumvent free market forces. Their want, to limit the freedom of modding is exactly why I feel so strongly, they shouldn't be the facilitators or keepers of monetized modding.

[zilav]

Umm... then why is Automatron the only one that shows on the Add-Ons page in-game? Near as I can tell it's just an esm. None of the other esm show up (and like every other mod so far will get automatically disabled if you use the vanilla launcher).

Because it is a DLC, they always have some hardcoded stuff in the executable to support them due to new gameplay features. It is also listed in dlclist.txt instead of plugin.txt unlike other plugins.