DisQualia Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 So I decided to try a Creation Club file with my free credits, and discovered that NMM does not show .esl files. Well then, I thought I might as well swap my install to Vortex. Well I did that, twice because the first time none of the files had retained their plugins for some reason, and now I have what seems like a mostly complete transfer (Enhanced Blood and USSEP however did not survive the transfer and their directories had no files whatsoever, and those are just the ones I noticed because of missing master files for other mods). Along with that problem I have issues with mod priority rules, which is fine, except that I have to drag one mod all the way to the other end of the mod screen (Which is glacial, because the elements are over-sized and the scrolling is painfully slow) to initiate the dialogue about mod loading order. Then I realized I could click on the red lightning bolt and it would do... nothing. It opens the dialogue menu for setting the rule, and I can set the rule and hit ok, but it does nothing at all. The menu does not close, and if I close it manually I discover no rule has been saved at all. So now I'm left with either spending hours making this mess of amod manager work, or go back to the incomplete NMM which can't show my .esl plugins. Barring the chance that someone can offer me help, I have only one thing to ask. How on Earth could you drop support on NMM and release something like this, even as an alpha? It's buggy, unresponsive, slow and just painful to use. The UI is over-sized such that I can't effectively find anything, there isn't even a search function on the mods list. I understand having an auto-LOOT function, I think that's a good idea, but I can't turn it off and manually sort my plugins, only turn it off and just leave them in whatever mess the install order puts them in. The bugs are bad enough, but the general direction is insane to me. Having more than 10 mods is a nightmare, trying to port from NMM is a nightmare, just using this thing is honestly a painful experience which makes me want to scream. I'm sorry if I've offended someone, but I had to voice my opinions on this somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HylianSteel Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 https://github.com/Nexus-Mods/Nexus-Mod-Manager/releases Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grestorn Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 First of all, noone asked you to use Vortex yet. Currently, NMM is still the tool Nexus provides for its users. Secondly, the âSave Buttonâ issue is a bug that some! people are experiencing (it works fine for me). Remeber, itâs an alpha, and new versions are published in short succession. If you use an alpha, then you should be aware that there can be any kind of problem. And your statement, that there is no search feature for mods, just prooves, that you didnât really try to figure out the UI, otherwise youâd realized, that the header of the mod list is actually a usable control. where you can change the sorting and - oh wonder - even enter a search term. I, for one, am really impressed about the massive functionality in this tool. There are so many hidden checks and automated things which are not apparent right away, to make the modderâs life easier. And most of it is actually working fine. Of course thereâs still a lot of work to be done. Thatâs why itâs called ALPHA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyRJump Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 ...()...NMM is still the tool Nexus provides for its users...()... Yes and no. NMM is no longer suppored by The Nexus, hence why the downloadable version is outdated. The Nexus folk should at least add v0.63.17 for download as that was the first version to support esl files. That Nexus drops support for NMM is fine by me, but ONLY from the moment Vortex will at least be out of alpha, even better when it will be out of beta. As things stand, people have the choice between a not-yet-half-decent alpha release manager on the left and an outdated manager on the right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AugustaCalidia Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 While I understand that many are having real issues with Vortex, my own experience with Vortex has been overwhelmingly positive. I have not experienced any of the problems mentioned above. Furthermore, I absolutely love the UI. Once I familiarized myself with its bits and pieces, I found it to be a very useful and efficient tool. (I recognize, however, that "efficiency" is a somewhat subjective notion and that one person' s efficiency may be another person's nightmare.) My enthusiasm for Vortex grows out of testing and using Vortex over the past four weeks. In that period I set up one new game (Fallout 3) using Vortex, and I transferred two mature games (Fallout 4 and Skyrim SE) from NMM to Vortex management. The number of mods managed in the games are 64, 116, and 194. I had no more problems with Vortex than I previously had with OBMM, FOMM, Wrye Bash, MO, or NMM in other game setups over the past several years. In fact, Vortex was easier. I was especially impressed with the import feature. From NMM I imported my Fallout 4 and Skyrim SE games. The transfers were fast and absolutely flawless. There was not a single error in the mod transfers. I then quickly set up dependency rules, updated some mods, used the Vortex sorting feature, and started playing my games. All games are now running very well. There is much more that I like about Vortex, but I don't want to bore people. Suffice it to say that Vortex is now my mod manager of choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxsdad Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 First of all, noone asked you to use Vortex yet. Currently, NMM is still the tool Nexus provides for its users. That's a rather condescending comment to make when someone has a legitimate complaint. I'm wondering if you have any advice that is less demeaning to those of us with SIMILAR concerns about Vortex. And the problems the OP complained about are still valid. BTW, it just took Vortex 7 minutes and 45 second to load MY game on a cold boot ... I timed it (the load screen sound effects just came alive). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HadToRegister Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 First of all, noone asked you to use Vortex yet. Currently, NMM is still the tool Nexus provides for its users. That's a rather condescending comment to make when someone has a legitimate complaint. I'm wondering if you have any advice that is less demeaning to those of us with SIMILAR concerns about Vortex. And the problems the OP complained about are still valid. BTW, it just took Vortex 7 minutes and 45 second to load MY game on a cold boot ... I timed it (the load screen sound effects just came alive). Nah, he's in every single thread in this section of the forums, he loves Vortex so much, he's made himself into a one-man crusade for it. Can't post any feedback without having to wade through a bunch of the same people jumping in and defending Vortex from the feedback people are trying to give.It drags out every thread out longer than it needs to be, and makes people have to wade through a bunch of unnecessary posts to get to the actual solutions and feedback between the person leaving the feedback, and the Vortex developer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HadToRegister Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 ...()...NMM is still the tool Nexus provides for its users...()... Yes and no. NMM is no longer suppored by The Nexus, hence why the downloadable version is outdated. The Nexus folk should at least add v0.63.17 for download as that was the first version to support esl files. That Nexus drops support for NMM is fine by me, but ONLY from the moment Vortex will at least be out of alpha, even better when it will be out of beta. As things stand, people have the choice between a not-yet-half-decent alpha release manager on the left and an outdated manager on the right... v 0.63.017 of NMM? Are you sure? I'm using 0.65.2, the version you're talking about is a a couple of years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannin42 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 That's a rather condescending comment to make when someone has a legitimate complaint. I'm wondering if you have any advice that is less demeaning to those of us with SIMILAR concerns about Vortex. And the problems the OP complained about are still valid. BTW, it just took Vortex 7 minutes and 45 second to load MY game on a cold boot ... I timed it (the load screen sound effects just came alive). His complaint is partially legitimate but statements like "How on Earth could you drop support on NMM and release something like this, even as an alpha?" are not. We released Vortex so we couldinvolve the community in the development as soon as possible, not so that people could drop their NMM for Vortex. NexusMods still has NMM as the mod manager on its main page and Vortex somewhat hidden.NexusMods still supports NMM in a limited fashion, it was updated only recently.We made it very clear that the Vortex release was intended to get feedback on it during development and that it's not finished. If we had kept the development close until it's done and polished, everyone would have complained that we didn't involve the community.If you don't understand that, if you think "it's on the internet so it has to be consumer ready" that's your mistake and not a valid complaint. And Greston is completely right and not at all condescending pointing that out.The existence of this alpha is the only reason you can give legitimate complaints, maybe keep that in mind when you are phrasing your criticism. Nah, he's in every single thread in this section of the forums, he loves Vortex so much, he's made himself into a one-man crusade for it. Can't post any feedback without having to wade through a bunch of the same people jumping in and defending Vortex from the feedback people are trying to give.It drags out every thread out longer than it needs to be, and makes people have to wade through a bunch of unnecessary posts to get to the actual solutions and feedback between the person leaving the feedback, and the Vortex developer. And others are on every single thread repeating the same complaints. This is the feedback forum, both positive and negative feedback are welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grestorn Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Nah, he's in every single thread in this section of the forums, he loves Vortex so much, he's made himself into a one-man crusade for it. Can't post any feedback without having to wade through a bunch of the same people jumping in and defending Vortex from the feedback people are trying to give.It drags out every thread out longer than it needs to be, and makes people have to wade through a bunch of unnecessary posts to get to the actual solutions and feedback between the person leaving the feedback, and the Vortex developer. Actually, I try to help people wherever possible, if they have issues with the tool. Seeing that as "defending" is actually a bit sad. It also seems like you're reading quite selectively. Btw, in what way did your postings help anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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