How to edit rules in italics.

[HadToRegister]

 

In this case, since we still don't have a full picture of the plugins involved I can't even begin to investigate if an distinction should be made in this case. Masterlist rules are not usually made nilli-willy.

Only with a full list of the plugins (and which variant was used in case of replacers) and with a full list of custom rules and what they try to achieve we could try to investigate whether any of the masterlist rules are actually unnecessary.

 

Yes, we have a picture of the plugins, I made the correction above, the mod is Unique NPCs - An overhaul of the commonwealth

 

In it, you have the option of picking "Better Settlers - No Lollygagging" which Combines Better Settlers.esp and Better Settlers - No Lollygagging.esp in one esp called "Better Settlers.esp.

The problem is, apparently, that the new Better Settlers.esp has new Masters., and I made an error earlier when I said Better Settlers has Better Settlers as a Master.

 

I'd print out my load order, and post it, but that feature isn't in Vortex yet.

[Rattledagger]

 

I'd print out my load order, and post it, but that feature isn't in Vortex yet.

 

While having the option to export load-order to a file (or clipboard) will be nice, as a work-around you can use the load-order that I would guess you can find by going to "c:\users\your_user_name\appdata\local\" and look for a sub-directory called Fallout 4 or something similarly.

[HadToRegister]

 

 

I'd print out my load order, and post it, but that feature isn't in Vortex yet.

 

While having the option to export load-order to a file (or clipboard) will be nice, as a work-around you can use the load-order that I would guess you can find by going to "c:\users\your_user_name\appdata\local\" and look for a sub-directory called Fallout 4 or something similarly.

 

 

Heh, how do you like that?

There's a loadorder.txt right in users/all users/vortex/fallout 4/profiles/sjfhurtfsmv/

 

 

 

# Automatically generated by Vortex

Fallout4.esm

DLCRobot.esm

DLCworkshop01.esm

DLCCoast.esm

DLCworkshop02.esm

DLCworkshop03.esm

DLCNukaWorld.esm

Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp

ArmorKeywords.esm

HUDFramework.esm

Sanctuary Environmental Overhaul Bridge.esl

SimSettlements.esm

AMS.esl

Better Manufacturing.esp

DEF_WIDGETS_CORE.esm

GrassBlocks.esl

Homemaker.esm

SimSettlements_IDEKsLogisticsStation.esl

TrueStormsFO4.esm

Accurate Minigun.esp

aeswaterunpurifier.esp

ManufacturingExtended.esp

Ammunition Plant - No Lead.esp

Auto Loot.esp

AzarPonytailHairstyles.esp

Balx2 AutoJunkStorage.esp

Better Explosives.esp

Better Explosives - Grenade Frequency 45.esp

BE_Enhanced Grenades.esp

Better Adhesive.esp

BetterModDescriptions.esp

Unique NPCs - Creatures and Monsters.esp

Unique NPCs.esp

RaiderOverhaul.esp

Better Burning Damage.esp

Better Burning Damage - Super Hot.esp

WeaponModFixes.esp

WMF Des.esp

LegendaryModification.esp

Better Manufacturing - Legendary Modification Additions.esp

Better Manufacturing - Manufacturing Extended Additions.esp

SuperMutantRedux.esp

BetterCompanions.esp

LegendaryModification - DLC Far Harbor.esp

WeaponModFixes-Automatron.esp

LegendaryModificationMisc.esp

BetterModDescriptionsLMMiscVeryEasy.esp

MoreWeaves.esp

No Lowered Muzzle-Brake and Compensator Range.esp

No Lowered Suppressor and Bayonet Range 1.04 FH + NW.esp

No Lowered Suppressor and Bayonet Range.esp

BetterModDescriptionsROWIP.esp

BetterShackBridges.esp

Brawl Bug Fix.esp

BrighterSettlementLights.esp

Brighter Mirror Ball Light (Disco Ball).esp

Brighter Wasteland Workshop Lights.esp

Buildable_PAFrames.esp

cartman1975_soylent.esp

CBBE.esp

chem redux.esp

CleanSettlement Greenhouse.esp

CleanSettlement Homemaker Greenhouses.esp

ConstructionLight_ExtraBright_Wireless.esp

Converging_Conveyors.esp

ConveyorBarriers.esp

CR_HelperTile.esp

CREAtiveGardens.esp

CREAtiveGardens_Summer.esp

No Perk Level Requirements ALL DLC 2.1.esp

CriticalHitsOutsideofVATS.esp

Integration.esp

zLCharTweaks.esp

D.E.C.A.Y.esp

TrueStormsFO4-FarHarbor.esp

TrueStormsFO4-NukaWorld-FH-Compat.esp

DarkerNights.esp

DD_Khassar_De_Templari_Increased_build.esp

def_w_exp2.esp

DelivererNoBloomGlowSight100.esp

PipeWeaponsCrafting.esp

Des Power Pole.esp

settlementheight9000-aio.esp

SettlementSalvageBot.esp

Farm.esp

MoreAGOMBz.esp

DLCFixes.esp

ESPExplorerFO4.esp

FALLOUT4WT.esp

Fashionable Valentine.esp

Flamer Test.esp

MsAbominations.esp

Wasteland Water Revival - Clearly Visible.esp

WhirligigSentry.esp

Qwirky.esp

FO4 NPCs Travel.esp

FO4Hotkeys.esp

FruitfulLaborMoreHarvests.esp

g2m_Workshop_Nexus.esp

GhoulIdleSound.esp

GoodGenerators.esp

Ground_Vanilla.esp

Grounded.esp

HN66Fo4_Nails.esp

HN66Fo4_Rings.esp

HoloTime.esp

HZS Easy Homebuilder and Working Double Beds.esp

JJConveyorRampUp.esp

keke-bu All-in-one Pack_1.1.7.esp

KSHairdos.esp

Leaders Of The Commonwealth.esp

LooksMenu.esp

Loot Detector.esp

LovingCait.esp

LovingCurie_1.0.3b.esp

THBrows.esp

LovingPiper.esp

ManufacturingExtendedFH.esp

MegaExplosions_x2.esp

MiscHairstyle.esp

ModdableRobotSettlers.esp

MoreAGOMBz_ScrapNPC_ME.esp

MoreEnemies.esp

No Lowered Muzzle-Brake and Compensator Range 1.01 FH + NW.esp

No_Health_Crippled_PopUps.esp

NoNegativeAffinity.esp

NoNegativeAffinitySeason.esp

Northland Diggers New.esp

OutfitSwitcher.esp

Passive Camera Shake - Disabled.esp

Passthrough.esp

SimHomestead.esp

SimSettlements_MegaPack_YearOne.esp

PCDugTriangularRevolution.esp

PCDugWedges.esp

Perk Magazine Material Fix.esp

Pip-Boy Flashlight.esp

PoisonerLGND.esp

The Eyes Of Beauty.esp

Wasteland Heroines Replacer All in One_1.0.0.esp

Quieter Settlements - Contraptions.esp

Quieter Settlements - Vanilla.esp

Quieter Settlements - Wasteland Workshop.esp

QuietVats.esp

RAW INPUT.esp

Realistic_conversations.esp

Running with Corpses.esp

Rusty Face Fix.esp

Scrounger DLC Fix.esp

SeasonsHolidaysReminder.esp

SelectMarkMacTurret.esp

SettlementMenuManager.esp

Settlement Menu Manager VIS-G.esp

SettlementTidyBot.esp

SettleObjExpandPack.esp

SettleObjExpandPack-LightShadowDisabler.esp

Silent Loot.esp

SimSettlements_LeaderPack_Gannon_Patches.esp

SimSettlementsHelper.esp

SKKCombatStalkers.esp

SKKDynamicTimescale.esp

SolarPower.esp

TF - Workshop Lights - No Customization - DLC.esp

TinaDeLucaSettlerVoiced.esp

True Storms VIS-G.esp

TrueStormsFO4-GlowingSeaExtraRads.esp

UncappedSettlementSurplus.esp

Armorsmith Extended.esp

Unique NPCs FarHarbor.esp

WestTekTacticalOptics.esp

VatsOverThere_IncreasedVATSRange.esp

VATST_Targeting_Pause.esp

Vault-Tec Workshop Overhaul.esp

VendorTrunk.esp

VisibleCompanionAffinity.esp

WorthwhileEyebots.esp

Z_BlurRemoval.esp

AEWS.esp

Better Mod Description Patch Desjay.esp

BetterModDescriptionsAE.esp

SuperMutantRedux_ArmorSmithExtended.esp

Crafting Mastery - All DLC Eammo Clut Rep AE.esp

Eli_Armour_Compendium.esp

Scavvers of the Commonwealth.esp

Synth Overhaul.esp

Desjay Sorting.esp

Eli Armor Compendium AE Patch.esp

Eli_Accessories.esp

Eli_ArmourCollection.esp

GunmetalWeaponSkins.esp

Raider Overhaul - AE Patch-Restored Content.esp

Synth Overhaul - VIS Patch.esp

Tactical Flashlights.esp

Tactical Flashlights - Settings.esp

Unique_NPCs_SuperMutantRedux.esp

Unique NPCs - Creatures and Monsters_SMR_AE.esp

Scrap Everything - Ultimate Edition.esp

BetterSettlers.esp

BetterSettlersCCAPack2.0.esp

Farm_CP_ScrapEverything_UE.esp

ScrapUpdate - Ultimate.esp

VIS-G Item Sorting.esp

Better Manufacturing - Valdacil Patch NW.esp

Des zPatch.esp

SuperMutantRedux_VIS-G_Patch.esp

Smash_LL.esp

 

 

I'll have to remember where the loadorder.txt is so I can tell people who post screenshots of their load order.

[Tannin42]

Yes, we have a picture of the plugins, I made the correction above, the mod is Unique NPCs - An overhaul of the commonwealth

 

 

 

In it, you have the option of picking "Better Settlers - No Lollygagging" which Combines Better Settlers.esp and Better Settlers - No Lollygagging.esp in one esp called "Better Settlers.esp.

The problem is, apparently, that the new Better Settlers.esp has new Masters., and I made an error earlier when I said Better Settlers has Better Settlers as a Master.

 

I'd print out my load order, and post it, but that feature isn't in Vortex yet.

 

No we don't, your posts are a mess and I'm not going to guess what you were trying to post because you're guaranteed to be offended and demand a walk of shame if I make a mistake.

 

First this was about Better Settlers and Scrap Everything, then it was about Armorsmith Extended.esp and VIS-G then it was about Eli_Armor_Compendium.esp and Better Settlers.esp

Along the way you didn't manage to correctly copy file names, mod names and so on.

You also never explained how this patched "Better Settlers.esp" could have itself as a master - or rather: what it actually has as a master that contributes to this circle.

At no point did you post which custom rules you tried to set or why.

And now you have posted the wrong loadorder file - even after Rattledagger told you exactly where the right one is - and you even posted the wrong path to where you got it. Fortunately I don't care about the loadorder anyway.

This is pure chaos and I don't have any intention of untangling it if you're not willing to put a bit of effort in yourself.

[HadToRegister]

 

Yes, we have a picture of the plugins, I made the correction above, the mod is Unique NPCs - An overhaul of the commonwealth

 

 

 

In it, you have the option of picking "Better Settlers - No Lollygagging" which Combines Better Settlers.esp and Better Settlers - No Lollygagging.esp in one esp called "Better Settlers.esp.

The problem is, apparently, that the new Better Settlers.esp has new Masters., and I made an error earlier when I said Better Settlers has Better Settlers as a Master.

 

I'd print out my load order, and post it, but that feature isn't in Vortex yet.

 

No we don't, your posts are a mess and I'm not going to guess what you were trying to post because you're guaranteed to be offended and demand a walk of shame if I make a mistake.

 

First this was about Better Settlers and Scrap Everything, then it was about Armorsmith Extended.esp and VIS-G then it was about Eli_Armor_Compendium.esp and Better Settlers.esp

Along the way you didn't manage to correctly copy file names, mod names and so on.

You also never explained how this patched "Better Settlers.esp" could have itself as a master - or rather: what it actually has as a master that contributes to this circle.

At no point did you post which custom rules you tried to set or why.

And now you have posted the wrong loadorder file - even after Rattledagger told you exactly where the right one is - and you even posted the wrong path to where you got it. Fortunately I don't care about the loadorder anyway.

This is pure chaos and I don't have any intention of untangling it if you're not willing to put a bit of effort in yourself.

 

 

This is copied and pasted straight from VORTEX

 

Cyclic interaction detected between plugins "Eli_Armor_Compendium.esp and Better Settlers.esp.

Back cycle: Better Settlers.esp, Unique NPCs - Creatures and Monsters.esp, VIS-G Item Sorting.Esp, Armorsmith Extended.esp, Eli_Armour_Compendium.esp"

 

You were the one who said you weren't going to download 8 gig.

Everybody else posting in here caused me to second guess myself and are dragging the topic off target.

 

 

[LawrenceFB]

 

This is copied and pasted straight from VORTEX

 

Cyclic interaction detected between plugins "Eli_Armor_Compendium.esp and Better Settlers.esp.

Back cycle: Better Settlers.esp, Unique NPCs - Creatures and Monsters.esp, VIS-G Item Sorting.Esp, Armorsmith Extended.esp, Eli_Armour_Compendium.esp"

 

You were the one who said you weren't going to download 8 gig.

Everybody else posting in here caused me to second guess myself and are dragging the topic off target.

 

Please :smile: could you go to each of those plugins and double click and provide the masters, in the order displayed for each of them. Can you also confirm that if the esp is from the original author and if not from where.

[HadToRegister]

 

This is copied and pasted straight from VORTEX

 

Cyclic interaction detected between plugins "Eli_Armor_Compendium.esp and Better Settlers.esp.

Back cycle: Better Settlers.esp, Unique NPCs - Creatures and Monsters.esp, VIS-G Item Sorting.Esp, Armorsmith Extended.esp, Eli_Armour_Compendium.esp"

 

You were the one who said you weren't going to download 8 gig.

Everybody else posting in here caused me to second guess myself and are dragging the topic off target.

 

 

 

 

See, I'm being accused of messing everything up, and causing "Chaos", yet the reason I mentioned Scrap Everything, and it seems to be confusing and frustrating Tannin, is, it's VORTEX that's bringing up all the other mods, thanks to the Loot Rules, which is why I started this thread.

So it's not me bringing the Chaos and it's not me being confusing, it's Vortex and it's it's loot rules that are bringing the chaos and confusion, I'm just reporting what Vortex is telling me.

 

The better settlers.esp is PATCHED with "No Lollygagging" merged into it, from the patch option install from Unique NPCs - An overhaul of the commonwealth as I've made clear, and posted before.

 

Loot rules in italics are built in - loot rules I added with be cyan

 

Eli Armour Compendium - loads after Armorsmith Extended.esp

 

Better Settlers - MoreSkinColors.esp, AzarPonyHairstyles.esp, Eli_Armour_Compendium.esp, ScrapEverything - Core.esp, Scrap Everything - Ultimate Edition.esp

 

Unique NPCS - Creatures and Monsters.esp - loads after Better Settlers.esp

 

VIS-G Item Sorting.esp - Loads after Unique NPCS - Creatures and Monsters.esp, D.E.C.A.Y.esp

 

Armorsmith Extended.esp - Loads after MoreAGOMBZ.esp, No Lowered Suppresor and Bayonet Range.esp, FALLOUT4WT.esp, SuperMutantRedux.esp

 

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

Now,, the problem comes when I try to put Armorsmith Extended.esp, below VIS-G Item Sorting.esp

That's when I get the cyclic error and back cycle.

[HadToRegister]

-Never Mind, waste of time-

[HadToRegister]

 

And now you have posted the wrong loadorder file - even after Rattledagger told you exactly where the right one is - and you even posted the wrong path to where you got it. Fortunately I don't care about the loadorder anyway.

 

 

Except I don't, I had it open right alongside Vortex, and verified that the load order, and the SAME mods were in the load order.

So YES, that load order is my current load order.

 

Here's the load order from the directory RattleDagger told me.

It matches exactly the one I posted, I even compared it with the "Beyond Compare" program.

 

 

 

# Automatically generated by Vortex

Fallout4.esm

DLCRobot.esm

DLCworkshop01.esm

DLCCoast.esm

DLCworkshop02.esm

DLCworkshop03.esm

DLCNukaWorld.esm

Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp

ArmorKeywords.esm

HUDFramework.esm

Sanctuary Environmental Overhaul Bridge.esl

SimSettlements.esm

AMS.esl

Better Manufacturing.esp

DEF_WIDGETS_CORE.esm

GrassBlocks.esl

Homemaker.esm

SimSettlements_IDEKsLogisticsStation.esl

TrueStormsFO4.esm

Accurate Minigun.esp

aeswaterunpurifier.esp

ManufacturingExtended.esp

Ammunition Plant - No Lead.esp

Auto Loot.esp

AzarPonytailHairstyles.esp

Balx2 AutoJunkStorage.esp

Better Explosives.esp

Better Explosives - Grenade Frequency 45.esp

BE_Enhanced Grenades.esp

Better Adhesive.esp

BetterModDescriptions.esp

Unique NPCs - Creatures and Monsters.esp

Unique NPCs.esp

RaiderOverhaul.esp

Better Burning Damage.esp

Better Burning Damage - Super Hot.esp

WeaponModFixes.esp

WMF Des.esp

LegendaryModification.esp

Better Manufacturing - Legendary Modification Additions.esp

Better Manufacturing - Manufacturing Extended Additions.esp

SuperMutantRedux.esp

BetterCompanions.esp

LegendaryModification - DLC Far Harbor.esp

WeaponModFixes-Automatron.esp

LegendaryModificationMisc.esp

BetterModDescriptionsLMMiscVeryEasy.esp

MoreWeaves.esp

No Lowered Muzzle-Brake and Compensator Range.esp

No Lowered Suppressor and Bayonet Range 1.04 FH + NW.esp

No Lowered Suppressor and Bayonet Range.esp

BetterModDescriptionsROWIP.esp

BetterShackBridges.esp

Brawl Bug Fix.esp

BrighterSettlementLights.esp

Brighter Mirror Ball Light (Disco Ball).esp

Brighter Wasteland Workshop Lights.esp

Buildable_PAFrames.esp

cartman1975_soylent.esp

CBBE.esp

chem redux.esp

CleanSettlement Greenhouse.esp

CleanSettlement Homemaker Greenhouses.esp

ConstructionLight_ExtraBright_Wireless.esp

Converging_Conveyors.esp

ConveyorBarriers.esp

CR_HelperTile.esp

CREAtiveGardens.esp

CREAtiveGardens_Summer.esp

No Perk Level Requirements ALL DLC 2.1.esp

CriticalHitsOutsideofVATS.esp

Integration.esp

zLCharTweaks.esp

D.E.C.A.Y.esp

TrueStormsFO4-FarHarbor.esp

TrueStormsFO4-NukaWorld-FH-Compat.esp

DarkerNights.esp

DD_Khassar_De_Templari_Increased_build.esp

def_w_exp2.esp

DelivererNoBloomGlowSight100.esp

PipeWeaponsCrafting.esp

Des Power Pole.esp

settlementheight9000-aio.esp

SettlementSalvageBot.esp

Farm.esp

MoreAGOMBz.esp

DLCFixes.esp

ESPExplorerFO4.esp

FALLOUT4WT.esp

Fashionable Valentine.esp

Flamer Test.esp

MsAbominations.esp

Wasteland Water Revival - Clearly Visible.esp

WhirligigSentry.esp

Qwirky.esp

FO4 NPCs Travel.esp

FO4Hotkeys.esp

FruitfulLaborMoreHarvests.esp

g2m_Workshop_Nexus.esp

GhoulIdleSound.esp

GoodGenerators.esp

Ground_Vanilla.esp

Grounded.esp

HN66Fo4_Nails.esp

HN66Fo4_Rings.esp

HoloTime.esp

HZS Easy Homebuilder and Working Double Beds.esp

JJConveyorRampUp.esp

keke-bu All-in-one Pack_1.1.7.esp

KSHairdos.esp

Leaders Of The Commonwealth.esp

LooksMenu.esp

Loot Detector.esp

LovingCait.esp

LovingCurie_1.0.3b.esp

THBrows.esp

LovingPiper.esp

ManufacturingExtendedFH.esp

MegaExplosions_x2.esp

MiscHairstyle.esp

ModdableRobotSettlers.esp

MoreAGOMBz_ScrapNPC_ME.esp

MoreEnemies.esp

No Lowered Muzzle-Brake and Compensator Range 1.01 FH + NW.esp

No_Health_Crippled_PopUps.esp

NoNegativeAffinity.esp

NoNegativeAffinitySeason.esp

Northland Diggers New.esp

OutfitSwitcher.esp

Passive Camera Shake - Disabled.esp

Passthrough.esp

SimHomestead.esp

SimSettlements_MegaPack_YearOne.esp

PCDugTriangularRevolution.esp

PCDugWedges.esp

Perk Magazine Material Fix.esp

Pip-Boy Flashlight.esp

PoisonerLGND.esp

The Eyes Of Beauty.esp

Wasteland Heroines Replacer All in One_1.0.0.esp

Quieter Settlements - Contraptions.esp

Quieter Settlements - Vanilla.esp

Quieter Settlements - Wasteland Workshop.esp

QuietVats.esp

RAW INPUT.esp

Realistic_conversations.esp

Running with Corpses.esp

Rusty Face Fix.esp

Scrounger DLC Fix.esp

SeasonsHolidaysReminder.esp

SelectMarkMacTurret.esp

SettlementMenuManager.esp

Settlement Menu Manager VIS-G.esp

SettlementTidyBot.esp

SettleObjExpandPack.esp

SettleObjExpandPack-LightShadowDisabler.esp

Silent Loot.esp

SimSettlements_LeaderPack_Gannon_Patches.esp

SimSettlementsHelper.esp

SKKCombatStalkers.esp

SKKDynamicTimescale.esp

SolarPower.esp

TF - Workshop Lights - No Customization - DLC.esp

TinaDeLucaSettlerVoiced.esp

True Storms VIS-G.esp

TrueStormsFO4-GlowingSeaExtraRads.esp

UncappedSettlementSurplus.esp

Armorsmith Extended.esp

Unique NPCs FarHarbor.esp

WestTekTacticalOptics.esp

VatsOverThere_IncreasedVATSRange.esp

VATST_Targeting_Pause.esp

Vault-Tec Workshop Overhaul.esp

VendorTrunk.esp

VisibleCompanionAffinity.esp

WorthwhileEyebots.esp

Z_BlurRemoval.esp

AEWS.esp

Better Mod Description Patch Desjay.esp

BetterModDescriptionsAE.esp

SuperMutantRedux_ArmorSmithExtended.esp

Crafting Mastery - All DLC Eammo Clut Rep AE.esp

Eli_Armour_Compendium.esp

Scavvers of the Commonwealth.esp

Synth Overhaul.esp

Desjay Sorting.esp

Eli Armor Compendium AE Patch.esp

Eli_Accessories.esp

Eli_ArmourCollection.esp

GunmetalWeaponSkins.esp

Raider Overhaul - AE Patch-Restored Content.esp

Synth Overhaul - VIS Patch.esp

Tactical Flashlights.esp

Tactical Flashlights - Settings.esp

Unique_NPCs_SuperMutantRedux.esp

Unique NPCs - Creatures and Monsters_SMR_AE.esp

Scrap Everything - Ultimate Edition.esp

BetterSettlers.esp

BetterSettlersCCAPack2.0.esp

Farm_CP_ScrapEverything_UE.esp

ScrapUpdate - Ultimate.esp

VIS-G Item Sorting.esp

Better Manufacturing - Valdacil Patch NW.esp

Des zPatch.esp

SuperMutantRedux_VIS-G_Patch.esp

Smash_LL.esp

 

 

[Dark0ne]

HadToRegister, for the love of god keep it to one post and stop double and triple posting. Why are you posting so many times for a response to Tannin's single post?

 

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