Is Vortex worth it?

[HadToRegister]

 

I do understand vortex, I made it a point to "RTDM" and I did study each and every video BEFORE i even started the damn thing, my problem with it is the complexity, the machinery if you will.. for a user who comes from NMM and expects to download, unzip and then use LOOT followed by manual tweaking.. Vortex is a nightmare, it gives minimal control, UNLESS you follow the manual and gives no sense of user-control... I opened the "code" and took a look and I was flabbergasted by the very complexity and impressive amount of redundancy safeguards BUT.... the way it imposes itself on everything in your Steam folder and the sheer complexity of making it work in a customized "user-defined" way is beyond most and therefore I judge it so harshly.. If you would be so kind, you would notice that I specify that IF, you transition from MO2 you are less prone to run into frustrations and the myriads of problems reported.. I state clearly and will happily continue to do so that.. for a Newbie or one with limited interest in the "machiney" Vortex is not the answer, the more simple and less demanding NMM is.. for the Advanced user i would recommend MO2 because of the user-friendliness, take that con grano salis, for EXPERIENCED users.. Vortex tries to fill the gap between those two and does so in an unsatisfactory way.. I would not recommend it until it has progressed to the level of MO2 and then i would still advice New and Casual users to download NMM instead.. simply because not everybody likes to integrate themselves in the machinery and most prefer a point and click system that works without question... several Mod-Authors are in line with my thoughts on this, though they also despise NMM because of its inability to handle large files and thus, swear by MO2... I gave my opinion and would repeat it, the OP asks if Vortex is worth it and, as i deduced it, is a casual player whose previous experience comes fron using NMM, therefore my answer was to download the community version of NMM from GitHub.. I would like Vortex to work seamlessly for new and experienced players alike but.. at the moment... it does not.

 

 

 

 

I'm not sure why you're proud of the fact that you don't understand an easy to use program.

 

LOOT is built in, so you don't NEED to use the Standalone, also, there IS NO NEED TO MANUALLY SORT ANYMORE.

If you'd stop trying to force Vortex into being NMM, you'd understand Vortex.

 

It literally takes me about an hour to get a 200+ mod install of Fallout 4, or Skyrim SE up and running.

I download all of the mods I want, to the point where the notification says "200 Items", then I install them, one by one.

Then, I read any File Conflict errors, click on SHOW, I'm brought to the SET RULES screen, where I tell which Mods to LOAD BEFORE or LOAD AFTER, each other, and I'm done.

MUCH Improved over NMM's way of dealing with File Conflicts, which involved Installing Mod A and Mod B and Mod C in a certain order, and if you mess up, you have to uninstall them all, and try again to install them in the correct order.

With Vortex I can install Mod A, B, and C in any order I want, as long as I set them to LOAD BEFORE or LOAD AFTER properly, Vortex automatically takes care of resting and overwriting the files for me.

There's also the occasional plugin that needs to go to the bottom of the load order, I add it to the "DYNAMIC PATCHES" group, and BAM!! it's at the bottom of my load order, and I'm good to go.

 

I'd seriously like to understand, how you cannot comprehend any of this in the slightest, because your explanations aren't making Vortex look hard to use, and instead are making it look like you can't understand very easy concepts.

 

Your entire problem is the one I listed "Trying to force Vortex to be NMM"

 

Instead of letting Vortex do it's job automatically, you're trying to force an incorrect load order on it.

That's why it "Doesn't do what you want", because you're trying to force it to go against the LOOT rules, which just goes to show that you are trying to set up an Incorrect Load Order that goes against LOOT and built in LOOT in Vortex, which means your intended load order would be a BAD and FAULTY load order, and rather than being grateful that you've been prevented from setting up a load order that will lead to CTDs', you instead get mad, and would rather go back to NMM, so you can set up your CTD laden load order without having any annoying warnings about it.

 

Ignorance is truly bliss.

[Deleted55991832User]

 

 

I do understand vortex, I made it a point to "RTDM" and I did study each and every video BEFORE i even started the damn thing, my problem with it is the complexity, the machinery if you will.. for a user who comes from NMM and expects to download, unzip and then use LOOT followed by manual tweaking.. Vortex is a nightmare, it gives minimal control, UNLESS you follow the manual and gives no sense of user-control... I opened the "code" and took a look and I was flabbergasted by the very complexity and impressive amount of redundancy safeguards BUT.... the way it imposes itself on everything in your Steam folder and the sheer complexity of making it work in a customized "user-defined" way is beyond most and therefore I judge it so harshly.. If you would be so kind, you would notice that I specify that IF, you transition from MO2 you are less prone to run into frustrations and the myriads of problems reported.. I state clearly and will happily continue to do so that.. for a Newbie or one with limited interest in the "machiney" Vortex is not the answer, the more simple and less demanding NMM is.. for the Advanced user i would recommend MO2 because of the user-friendliness, take that con grano salis, for EXPERIENCED users.. Vortex tries to fill the gap between those two and does so in an unsatisfactory way.. I would not recommend it until it has progressed to the level of MO2 and then i would still advice New and Casual users to download NMM instead.. simply because not everybody likes to integrate themselves in the machinery and most prefer a point and click system that works without question... several Mod-Authors are in line with my thoughts on this, though they also despise NMM because of its inability to handle large files and thus, swear by MO2... I gave my opinion and would repeat it, the OP asks if Vortex is worth it and, as i deduced it, is a casual player whose previous experience comes fron using NMM, therefore my answer was to download the community version of NMM from GitHub.. I would like Vortex to work seamlessly for new and experienced players alike but.. at the moment... it does not.

 

 

 

 

I'm not sure why you're proud of the fact that you don't understand an easy to use program.

 

LOOT is built in, so you don't NEED to use the Standalone, also, there IS NO NEED TO MANUALLY SORT ANYMORE.

If you'd stop trying to force Vortex into being NMM, you'd understand Vortex.

 

It literally takes me about an hour to get a 200+ mod install of Fallout 4, or Skyrim SE up and running.

I download all of the mods I want, to the point where the notification says "200 Items", then I install them, one by one.

Then, I read any File Conflict errors, click on SHOW, I'm brought to the SET RULES screen, where I tell which Mods to LOAD BEFORE or LOAD AFTER, each other, and I'm done.

MUCH Improved over NMM's way of dealing with File Conflicts, which involved Installing Mod A and Mod B and Mod C in a certain order, and if you mess up, you have to uninstall them all, and try again to install them in the correct order.

With Vortex I can install Mod A, B, and C in any order I want, as long as I set them to LOAD BEFORE or LOAD AFTER properly, Vortex automatically takes care of resting and overwriting the files for me.

There's also the occasional plugin that needs to go to the bottom of the load order, I add it to the "DYNAMIC PATCHES" group, and BAM!! it's at the bottom of my load order, and I'm good to go.

 

I'd seriously like to understand, how you cannot comprehend any of this in the slightest, because your explanations aren't making Vortex look hard to use, and instead are making it look like you can't understand very easy concepts.

 

Your entire problem is the one I listed "Trying to force Vortex to be NMM"

 

Instead of letting Vortex do it's job automatically, you're trying to force an incorrect load order on it.

That's why it "Doesn't do what you want", because you're trying to force it to go against the LOOT rules, which just goes to show that you are trying to set up an Incorrect Load Order that goes against LOOT and built in LOOT in Vortex, which means your intended load order would be a BAD and FAULTY load order, and rather than being grateful that you've been prevented from setting up a load order that will lead to CTDs', you instead get mad, and would rather go back to NMM, so you can set up your CTD laden load order without having any annoying warnings about it.

 

Ignorance is truly bliss.

 

If you would care to read my post you would realize that i do not try to force Vortex to be NMM.. I clearly state who would benefit from it and who would not, I use MO2 personally but the gist of my answer to the OP and hence is that i would not recommend Vortex to casual users or those who prefer the NMM UI...And, again, Vortex could be fine if you are so inclined but, If you take the three, Vortex, MO2 and NMM you have MO2 which is excellent for EXPERIENCED users, NMM which is mediocre but good for the casual or beginner.. and then you have Vortex which fluctuates wildly between excellent and somewhat good... Mind you it is my opinion, an opinion the Op asked for, I care not a whiff if anyone heeds my advice, people have different wishes and different approaches to how they like their software (as in everything else) I merely stated an opinion.. I feel this whole debate is running over a cliff because those adamantly in support of Vortex cannot fathom that others might not regard it as the pinnacle of mod-managers, it is reminiscent of protestant missionaries hell-bent on forcing THEIR beliefs on the Heathen Catholics.. the matter of personal choice and likes/dislikes gone with the wind and completely un-acceptable to the "true Believers" .. in this case the staunch defenders of the Holy Vortex.. It is a ridiculous and somewhat annoying debate to have..and all because of My answer not being to the liking of the Inquisition.. well, I refuse to bow to Vortex, if others like it, be my guest, if others like NMM or MO2 or "makemymodsgowoof" manager? so be it.. I do not care.. I simply stated my opinion and i am sorry if I offended your religion but, it is NOT my religion and never will be... be happy with Vortex if that´s what you are and leave others to make their choices based on their experiences and the advice they ask for, STOP being condescending and, for the love of the Holy Virgin, stop deriding people for not having the same skills and experience as you.. with that being said.. I shall continue my preparations for the "Buena Noche" and I wish you a Merry Christmas and a happy new year...

[HadToRegister]

 

If you would care to read my post you would realize that i do not try to force Vortex to be NMM.. I clearly state who would benefit from it and who would not, I use MO2 personally but the gist of my answer to the OP and hence is that i would not recommend Vortex to casual users or those who prefer the NMM UI...And, again, Vortex could be fine if you are so inclined but, If you take the three, Vortex, MO2 and NMM you have MO2 which is excellent for EXPERIENCED users, NMM which is mediocre but good for the casual or beginner.. and then you have Vortex which fluctuates wildly between excellent and somewhat good... Mind you it is my opinion, an opinion the Op asked for, I care not a whiff if anyone heeds my advice, people have different wishes and different approaches to how they like their software (as in everything else) I merely stated an opinion.. I feel this whole debate is running over a cliff because those adamantly in support of Vortex cannot fathom that others might not regard it as the pinnacle of mod-managers, it is reminiscent of protestant missionaries hell-bent on forcing THEIR beliefs on the Heathen Catholics.. the matter of personal choice and likes/dislikes gone with the wind and completely un-acceptable to the "true Believers" .. in this case the staunch defenders of the Holy Vortex.. It is a ridiculous and somewhat annoying debate to have..and all because of My answer not being to the liking of the Inquisition.. well, I refuse to bow to Vortex, if others like it, be my guest, if others like NMM or MO2 or "makemymodsgowoof" manager? so be it.. I do not care.. I simply stated my opinion and i am sorry if I offended your religion but, it is NOT my religion and never will be... be happy with Vortex if that´s what you are and leave others to make their choices based on their experiences and the advice they ask for, STOP being condescending and, for the love of the Holy Virgin, stop deriding people for not having the same skills and experience as you.. with that being said.. I shall continue my preparations for the "Buena Noche" and I wish you a Merry Christmas and a happy new year...

 

 

 

 

I DID read your post, if you don't use Vortex you sure complain about it a lot.

 

 

for a user who comes from NMM and expects to download, unzip and then use LOOT followed by manual tweaking.. Vortex is a nightmare

 

Also, MO2 was written by the same person who is writing Vortex.

[Deleted55991832User]

 

 

If you would care to read my post you would realize that i do not try to force Vortex to be NMM.. I clearly state who would benefit from it and who would not, I use MO2 personally but the gist of my answer to the OP and hence is that i would not recommend Vortex to casual users or those who prefer the NMM UI...And, again, Vortex could be fine if you are so inclined but, If you take the three, Vortex, MO2 and NMM you have MO2 which is excellent for EXPERIENCED users, NMM which is mediocre but good for the casual or beginner.. and then you have Vortex which fluctuates wildly between excellent and somewhat good... Mind you it is my opinion, an opinion the Op asked for, I care not a whiff if anyone heeds my advice, people have different wishes and different approaches to how they like their software (as in everything else) I merely stated an opinion.. I feel this whole debate is running over a cliff because those adamantly in support of Vortex cannot fathom that others might not regard it as the pinnacle of mod-managers, it is reminiscent of protestant missionaries hell-bent on forcing THEIR beliefs on the Heathen Catholics.. the matter of personal choice and likes/dislikes gone with the wind and completely un-acceptable to the "true Believers" .. in this case the staunch defenders of the Holy Vortex.. It is a ridiculous and somewhat annoying debate to have..and all because of My answer not being to the liking of the Inquisition.. well, I refuse to bow to Vortex, if others like it, be my guest, if others like NMM or MO2 or "makemymodsgowoof" manager? so be it.. I do not care.. I simply stated my opinion and i am sorry if I offended your religion but, it is NOT my religion and never will be... be happy with Vortex if that´s what you are and leave others to make their choices based on their experiences and the advice they ask for, STOP being condescending and, for the love of the Holy Virgin, stop deriding people for not having the same skills and experience as you.. with that being said.. I shall continue my preparations for the "Buena Noche" and I wish you a Merry Christmas and a happy new year...

 

 

 

 

I DID read your post, if you don't use Vortex you sure complain about it a lot.

 

for a user who comes from NMM and expects to download, unzip and then use LOOT followed by manual tweaking.. Vortex is a nightmare

 

Also, MO2 was written by the same person who is writing Vortex.

 

Clearly he is not doing a very good job.. and again.. Merry Christmas.. I have other things pressing and shall not be back this side of New years...

[Guest deleted34304850]

i liked your religious analogy, that was as useless as your interpretation of how you think vortex works.

if i were you, i'd stop now.

[HadToRegister]

 

Clearly he is not doing a very good job.. and again.. Merry Christmas.. I have other things pressing and shall not be back this side of New years...

 

 

 

Clearly, he's doing a great job, considering the amount of downloads Vortex has gotten.

The only people who complain about Vortex are the people who don't use it, don't understand it, don't bother learning it, try to force it to be NMM.

 

Since you don't even use it, perhaps you don't really have anything to argue about, since you're argument cannot be justified.

[Orrsk]

Hi there All.

 

I have been using NMM since I first picked up Skyrim. Quite a while ago. I've spent huge amounts of time re-installing Skyrim over and over as I've done things incorrectly. Over time I've learned mostly what to do and not to do while using NMM by trial and error. I've had allot of crashes. All of them my own fault or sometimes a complication that the Nexus team quickly updated and fixed. I've almost never used MO or MO2 for that matter. Since owning Skyrim SE I've moved over to Vortex and have had a generally good experience with it. Again, I've had a learning curve with this new organizer and yes it can be frustrating. I most definitely made some mistakes while answering relatively simple before and after questions due to my own miscomprehension of the mod/order/question. I learned and moved on. I am not a programmer and my hat off to those you who are. I enjoy modding Skyrim and appreciate all those modders who have given their time and care to making my gaming life better.

I will have to agree that Vortex can be complicated to use for some, as I am still learning how to use it. I strongly suspect it's a lack of knowledge on the users part when something is difficult or seems broken. Yes, it would be nice if Vortex was even more user friendly than it is. Even at the setup of the program I've had to take some things on faith that the program will install itself and all the files I need for it to work properly. All seems to work well on the most part. Hell, I've been trying to get Vortex to save all mods on my gaming/storage hard drive and not my operating system hard drive. I do not believe this is the fault of Vortex or the Nexus modding team. I'm pretty damned sure I'm to blame, having overlooked or miscomprehended something. Maybe someone here will know how and share it with me or maybe I'll keep on until I finally locate some instruction of how to do it.

My point. Nexus is a pretty kick ass site and community. They are offering a program to help alter games we enjoy in ways we want. They are even providing a program that does most of the work for us. This program allows people like myself the opportunity to fix my mistakes as I make them, most of the time. If you like NMM, I believe it is still available and being updated by a community that continues to enjoy it. if you like MO or MO2 I believe they are still supported by their communities. Nexus provides multiple ways to download mods so that you don't have to pick any one Mod Manager/Organizer. They obviously would like people to use theirs and are doing what they can to improve it. I would suspect that supporting them will work better than complaining.

 

My two bits. Have a good day and Happy New Year for what it's worth.

[JimmyRJump]

I used to love Nero Burning ROM, first for the funny name and secondly for its simplicity and ease of use. Nowadays, Nero has become so bloated with all kinds of functions it even bakes your pancakes in the morning. The good thing about the bloated Nero is that you can opt to not install all of these extras.

 

Vortex is becoming like modern day Nero. Too much of everything and not good at anything. But, as I said before, I more or less keep an eye on its development to see what is done and in the meantime I keep using Nexus Mod Manager. The latter does what I need, namely download and install mods to most of the games I play and is kept in development by a team of enthusiast volunteers.

[AugustaCalidia]

 

Vortex is becoming like modern day Nero. Too much of everything and not good at anything.

While I have no opinion on Nero Burning ROM, I can say that Vortex is good at everything I've asked it to do, including installing, uninstalling, updating, load order management, file conflict resolution, and much more. I've modded games for at least twelve years, and Vortex for me is the best mod manager of the many I've used over that period.

[zixi]

When I switched to Linux, Vortex was the only ap I missed. Because Bethesda allows you to add mods to SkyrimSE inside the game and Steam lets you add to Skyrim via the workshop it wasn't a massive problem. I just missed it. I could have fiddled around and done manual install - the first game I modded was Baldur's Gate and there was no choice but to do it manually - but I've been spoilt by the mod managers... so... I came here, looked at the mods and tried to get them via Bethesda. However, I can now use Vortex via Lutris so Vortex is now fully functional on my Linux box. It is absolutely stable and appears to do everything it did under Windows 10. Sometimes when you try to run things on Linux that haven't been designed for it, it's a bit like building a tower of chairs but I have to say Vortex installed smoothly, recognised the games I had and performs like a dream. Is it worth it? Well, I got it free so I'm not going to try out the money-back-guarantee anyway... :laugh: And no, nothing on this planet would make me manually install ... Been there! Done that! Got the emotional scars! :rolleyes: