HeyYou

Yeah, collections, just like mods, are going to be 'self-policing'. I.E. The users are going to test them, and if there are problems, hopefully they will comment on them. Just like they do with mods. (well, maybe not just like....) Folks that put out shoddy work, will get a reputation for that, and they just won't get many downloads. Folks that put out quality work, will. If the potential list user doesn't read the description/comments, and download a totally broken list, they have only themselves to blame. (but, they won't, they will blame EVERYONE else.....) After all, lists are 'perfect', are they not?

The idea that Robin doesn't have a lawyer versed in internet law and privacy to run all this by is laughable. As is the idea that non-lawyers would understand it well enough to contradict said lawyer. And yet, there have been famous court cases fought and lost on the very same issues I'm talking about. Companies with whole teams of lawyers screw up, don't consult their lawyers, their lawyers are wrong, and so forth. I don't pretend for a moment that I'm 100% right, but sometimes, even armchair quarterbacks can see when the real quarterback messed up. Robin consulted his lawyer, I can assure you of that. Thing is, yes, these cases are determine on an individual (case by case) level. Unless/Until someone takes it to court, the rules, as they are, stand. I don't see anyone taking this to that level over free mods..... Do you have your Golden Ticket? Man, we are WAY off topic here...... :D Actually, we aren't off topic at all. Both of us have been around since the MW Chronicles..... we have perspective..... or we are just old...... I prefer 'experienced'. :D

Do you have your Golden Ticket? Man, we are WAY off topic here...... :D

Everyone love Sylvester Stallone. Right? :D

Am I the only one on the planet who has actual on-my-hard drive copies of mods I use? The last person who clicks on the Download Manually button? We humans are in danger of losing the ability to use our left click finger if that one extra click is the deal breaker. You are not the only one. :D I think I still have almost every mod that I have downloaded, since oblivion. Both on a drive in my machine, and also backed up on my NAS. :D An army of two ... we shall take over the world eh Hey? Army of four............ Army of 5. Technically a squad now, I think, but we can build from here. XD Apparently, we are "The Expendables"...... :D Are you trying to make me spit water on my screen? Because I spit water on my screen. *shakes fist* It was time to clean it anyway. :D :laugh: Edit: @HeyYou - did you specifically mention that due to our ages (no, I'm not exactly young myself anymore)? :) I figgered there would be a fair few that would recognize that. :D

You've even been archiving old mod pages behind our backs as well, which became clear when I was notified that Dark0ne had "archived" mods I "deleted" more than a year ago while he was deleting my files. The files had presumably been deleted with only the mod page left, but I honestly don't know if I trust that this is the case anymore, or whether you've even lived up to my request for a full deletion now. Right now I can still see my own mod pages in my download history, but I no longer have access to them. They still have images, a full log of actions that I took on it, as well as my name on it. I can even see how many endorsements I used to have via the API. Why was this data not deleted? You should have at least deleted the images (which are also my property), and the sensitive parts such as my username and full logs, and severed the connection to my account. And if your intent was only to delete the files, you should have left me in control of my mod page to manage the content that was left. There's no transparency in this process whatsoever and I have no idea what to think or feel, other than a sense of confusion and betrayal. This. I have the same thing happening to my mods. Still there, images and all. It's very cute. Also very cute, is how I will not support those mods in any way. Enjoy the fun if you (Nexus) put them in packs. Also, cute to link GMAD threads to people that you (Nexus) took the access from because "no popular titty mods" published. Yeah, staff seems to make a habit of linking discussions (where they should be continued....) to closed threads, or threads we can't access. That's just oh-so-helpful...... What is really happening is, they are attempting to do damage control, and limit airing their dirty laundry in public. I had seriously considered making a mod that ALL it does is, give women larger breasts. I should have 1000 downloads before the end of the day. :D

Am I the only one on the planet who has actual on-my-hard drive copies of mods I use? The last person who clicks on the Download Manually button? We humans are in danger of losing the ability to use our left click finger if that one extra click is the deal breaker. You are not the only one. :D I think I still have almost every mod that I have downloaded, since oblivion. Both on a drive in my machine, and also backed up on my NAS. :D An army of two ... we shall take over the world eh Hey? Army of four............ Army of 5. Technically a squad now, I think, but we can build from here. XD Apparently, we are "The Expendables"...... :D

It lends clarity to just whom we are responding to. Simple as that.

Why would you rename the executable??

NMM has some files stashed around as well, that details what mods are installed, what options you chose, etc. If it doesn't find those files, then it assumes you are a 'fresh' install. No idea where it keeps that data though.

There are mods that do that..... :D Homemaker has pre-war houses, but, I don't think they are nav-meshed. Other mods restore some places, but, I think you find them in restored condition.....

Who was the author? Any of their other mods still up?

Am I the only one on the planet who has actual on-my-hard drive copies of mods I use? The last person who clicks on the Download Manually button? We humans are in danger of losing the ability to use our left click finger if that one extra click is the deal breaker. You are not the only one. :D I think I still have almost every mod that I have downloaded, since oblivion. Both on a drive in my machine, and also backed up on my NAS. :D

And that has been an issue since mods first became a thing. Those complaints have also been coming from users. I haven't seen a single list curator complaining that every time a mod updates, they need to update their list. (which is what should be happening anyway. the updates, not the complaining.)

Trouble is, we are headed in that direction. We have a SERIOUSLY stratified society at the moment, and the gap between the haves, and the have-nots, grows wider every year. Then we have the western states competing for water... and the likelihood that it is only going to get worse. And within that, we have farmers that have already been told they aren't going to be getting their irrigation water..... Then we have the racial tensions that are only increasing.... Civil war doesn't necessarily have to be something that is 'planned' either. It doesn't have to be some conspiracy of any sort. It could just be the result of a series of decisions by various parties that escalate a situation, and it simply gets out of hand.... There is a LOT going on here, and a fair bit of ain't good. :smile: Of course, if the economy improves, the pandemic subsides, we may dodge that particular bullet, for a while..... Until the next major crisis comes about. And you know it will. But then, maybe economic collapse is the more likely scenario? The government can't keep spending money they don't have before folks figure out that they are not EVER going to see their money back. That would certainly be interesting..... (and I hope I don't live to see it.....) Of course, China could make a couple financial moves, and totally tank our economy. They don't have the motivation to do so, as yet.... but, there may come a time when removing us as a world power, is more advantageous to them, than having us as a trade partner..... The government has been printing money so long that people can not even notice the affect of it anymore. Everyone doesn't understand what debt means and how it affects them. Imagine working at McDonalds and being able to support a family with one pay check living well off. That use to be possible not because of artificial minimum wage but because of the power of the currency. The more money the government spends the less you earn. Maybe if you were in management at McDonalds...... for the rest of the staff, Macs' were meant to be entry-level jobs, for teenagers, to get some job experience, and see what 'work life' is all about. Those jobs were NEVER meant to support a family...... As for our government...... :) If I ran my household the way our government runs their budget, I would have been in prison YEARS ago. :D

No other site seems to have an issue with it. Wabbajack has been around for a while now, and been dealing with it, and I haven't heard a single complaint about curators needing to update their lists when mods get updated.

That's the way it works with every other collection system...... Fail to understand why it needs to be different here.

Open and honest?? Really? This is why mod authors found out about these changes by accident? They were never informed this was coming, they were never consulted. The mod pack tool devs were though. That doesn't seem very open, or honest to me. It looks more like a deliberate act to possibly prevent some authors from removing their work before it was implemented. While that may not have been your *real* reason behind it, it sure has that appearance...... Basically, Nexus just took a dump on the very people they need to supply content. Shooting yourself in the foot doesn't strike me as a good business decision......

He is making money from it being here. Not 'selling' per se, but, monetizing nonetheless. And what would call what he is doing? It's like 'loaning' something to someone, and then they tell you they are never going to give it back. Sounds like 'ownership' to me. Or theft...... No matter how you slice it, it most certainly appears unethical to me.

Maybe not in so many words, but, not allowing us to delete our own mods??? What else would you call it?

Actually, according to the CK EULA, beth can do anything they want with your mods, without so much as a by-your-leave. And they have. :D Of course, they have also hired talented modders as well.

Stop trying to find holes in this incredibly well designed system. A "well designed" system wouldn't need to step on mod authors rights.......

:D Interesting idea. I think the biggest problem would be getting them to your building site. And, of course, you have the physics issues.... they likely won't stack neatly, and will tend to fall over when someone sneezes.....

Post your load list.

Won't work. That would exclude the majority of mods here on the site, as a fair few authors are no longer active. There won't be an opt-out option either. That would defeat the purpose of collections.