Nice work....

[euph]

 

 

 

You've even been archiving old mod pages behind our backs as well, which became clear when I was notified that Dark0ne had "archived" mods I "deleted" more than a year ago while he was deleting my files. The files had presumably been deleted with only the mod page left, but I honestly don't know if I trust that this is the case anymore, or whether you've even lived up to my request for a full deletion now.

 

Right now I can still see my own mod pages in my download history, but I no longer have access to them. They still have images, a full log of actions that I took on it, as well as my name on it. I can even see how many endorsements I used to have via the API. Why was this data not deleted? You should have at least deleted the images (which are also my property), and the sensitive parts such as my username and full logs, and severed the connection to my account. And if your intent was only to delete the files, you should have left me in control of my mod page to manage the content that was left. There's no transparency in this process whatsoever and I have no idea what to think or feel, other than a sense of confusion and betrayal.

This. I have the same thing happening to my mods. Still there, images and all. It's very cute. Also very cute, is how I will not support those mods in any way. Enjoy the fun if you (Nexus) put them in packs.

 

Also, cute to link GMAD threads to people that you (Nexus) took the access from because "no popular titty mods" published.

 

Yeah, staff seems to make a habit of linking discussions (where they should be continued....) to closed threads, or threads we can't access. That's just oh-so-helpful......

 

What is really happening is, they are attempting to do damage control, and limit airing their dirty laundry in public.

 

 

I had seriously considered making a mod that ALL it does is, give women larger breasts. I should have 1000 downloads before the end of the day. :D

 

I've been considering making a mod called "Shoot The Pack!". Let's say that instead of a pack of ghouls, you have a pack of files running about, with insane damage and stats AND it bypasses God Mode. Good luck to you if you come across "The Pack". :devil:

[Deleted31005User]

Lol euph, that honestly made me laugh really hard, thanks.

[CrEaToXx]

The problem with this is abuse.ÃÂ Say I made a cute NPC follower mod and someone adds it to a porno mod collection.ÃÂ IÃÂ should have the right to have my mod removed from the offending collection.

What are you even talking about? If I send a list of links to a user, to advertise my favorit Mods, how do you have the right to ask me to remove one link from the list? You don't. You absolutely don't. You'd do that one time I promise I'd report you to the staff for harassing me. Just because you're @Zanderat you can't willy nilly go around and ask anyone to remove links you don't like. That's presumptuous.

 

I remember that one time were one of the LotD-Team members approached me like a professional corporate manager(with the same presumptuous tone in his writing style), asking me to remove a patch I made, users were asking for, because it didn't met their "quality standarts", what ever that was supposed to mean. He's the sole survivor on my all time block list.

 

Some of you guys should really learn to act a bit more grounded.

[xrayy]

 

The problem with this is abuse.ÃÂ Say I made a cute NPC follower mod and someone adds it to a porno mod collection.ÃÂ IÃÂ should have the right to have my mod removed from the offending collection.

What are you even talking about? If I send a list of links to a user, to advertise my favorit Mods, how do you have the right to ask me to remove one link from the list? You don't. You absolutely don't. You'd do that one time I promise I'd report you to the staff for harassing me. Just because you're @Zanderat you can't willy nilly go around and ask anyone to remove links you don't like. That's presumptuous.

 

I remember that one time were one of the LotD-Team members approached me like a professional corporate manager(with the same presumptuous tone in his writing style), asking me to remove a patch I made, users were asking for, because it didn't met their "quality standarts", what ever that was supposed to mean. He's the sole survivor on my all time block list.

 

Some of you guys should really learn to act a bit more grounded.

 

if you decide to advertise a list of links with presets and enrich it with porn content and the preset mod authors independently decide to delete or opt out their presets due to this fact (if a working site do not hinder them to to that) than you can put your link list in a trash can and in my opinion you exactly deserve it. if you as a link curator use my mod and decide to be dependent of my mod than simply ask kindly if you can use it. if you don't ask and if i decide your collection is porn and i do not support porn i need a link collection opt out option. if this option is not provided by nexusmods nexusmods supports indirectly the abuse of my mod.

and as i understand nexusmods even support exactly that this possible mod abuse scenario in the meantime instead of supporting the mod authors to be able to instantly block such abuse with their presets by opt out or by instant delition option. seems something is severely wrong here.

[CrEaToXx]

I'm quite confident they will block 18+ modlists behind age verification. And if one is going to link Adult Mods without age verification, they will either warn, or block the cc right away. I don"t see why there should be differences to the way they treat Adult Mods.

 

If you're worried the Adult Mod will downgrade your splendid from another universe super mod, well, then I have bad news for you. I can make a list of links with whatever the f I want, unless one of the links leads to content that is strictly prohibited on the Nexus. And as far as I can tell, sexual content on the Nexus doesn't qualify for that.

[xrayy]

I'm quite confident they will block 18+ modlists behind age verification. And if one is going to link Adult Mods without age verification, they will either warn, or block the cc right away. I don"t see why there should be differences to the way they treat Adult Mods.

 

If you're worried the Adult Mod will downgrade your splendid from another universe super mod, well, then I have bad news for you. I can make a list of links with whatever the f I want, unless one of the links leads to content that is strictly prohibited on the Nexus. And as far as I can tell, sexual content on the Nexus doesn't qualify for that.

i'm not shocked and i'm aware of that. this happened already on russian and chinese sites with my presets. the scandal is that it seems that nexusmods supports exactly this modus operandi and even supports it from now on while hindering mod authors to stop this kind of abuse happening with their own mods. congratulations! and if you don't think this decision to the disadvantage of mod authors will not have consequences i'm sure you are wrong!

the only reason you still see my mods is because it is already too late for the uploaded ones but under these circumstances nobody will see any new preset from my side and i'm sure i'm not the only one.

[Lisnpuppy]

 

His link is indeed a GMAD thread, and the particular post he links is him using a million words as usual, to basically explain that they don't want to inconvenience the "casual" mod collection authors that use 5-10 minutes to set up a collection, by making them maintain that list, so yeah doubt it would be very persuasive even if you could see it

 

He did actually give a scenario where a casual user would want to make a Collection and NOT update it. Perhaps you skimmed too much?

There were no specifics here that I recall. It was a discussion response saying like there are casual mod users, mod makers and there will be casual collection makers. Just as there are people who only use a few mods, use them infrequently and really do not understand how they work or why there are people who have made mods great, few of them and don't use what could have been termed "mod makers best-practices" that they will fix, update etc or none at all. Granted that really is a small thing and usually doesn't happen in big must use mods since these are usually made and cared for like a beloved pet. This maybe happens more when someone just makes a few mods or maybe some that aren't things that took 100 hours. Sometimes with all of us, life gets in the way of things we love doing. There have been abandoned mods due to more than a mod authors not caring. Hell, this community is old enough there have even been some deaths. But, what I guess some have the opinion about usually the further you get from the original source the more likely there are mistakes and a detachment of sorts as you didn't birth that baby (so to speak.) Maybe like the telephone game the more it goes down the way, the more garbled the message gets.

 

You have a modder who spends all kinds of time making a new mesh of something and a new texture. Puts it into the game in a responsible way, cleans up their scripts and world space and makes sure it works and sticks around to make sure his baby is happy, healthy and well-treated. Then you have someone that decides to use that basis, recolor it, slap it in the middle of the main city, moving an important table that holds a quest item. Then they not only have not cleaned up their tracks but made matters worse for people. Maybe they did asked permission or give credit. It does not take as much time or skill as the original on either the front end or the back. Maybe that fact makes them less invested? Maybe not. And perhaps they, for whatever reason, don't stick around to fix it or answer concerns. It can go on like this until the original author gets so upset from all the bitching that gets to them or requests to fix mod a b and c since they are the point of origin that they stop letting people use their work or just leave all together.

 

Most mod authors don't like when this happens nor do they like doing it. It is rare. Less rare is the second rung on this ladder and again, perhaps it is the degree of separation from the original that causes this to happen the most? But again it happens. Then you have the mod user. Some of them understand very well what mods do and change about the game. Some have made things themselves, or tried. They can understand or appreciate the time and talent it takes to do such things. They can fix some of their own issues since they maybe have a workable direct knowledge or have just the experience of time and mod use. Then there are many that don't get how mods interact with the games and some still that don't care. They want to mash a button and make it all work for them immediately.

 

So perhaps it is like the Formula 1 engineer and F1 driver vs the kid who either has parents shuttle them everywhere or has a self-driving car or takes the train. The further away from the original the less appreciation you have.

 

Sometimes that is a lack of time in your life (I have 3 kids so I can speak to not having time) or a complete lack of desire to respect and learn a craft. Regardless, there you are. So collection makers will likely come in all forms just like we all do. And in many ways all these things have been shown to be inverted pyramids. You start with a few of one kind and get a bunch of the other, it draws down again and re-expands. So mod makes of great things are originally few, people use them, screw them up and from that are born new stars and modding expanded and more users came who knew less, made less, then slowly get smaller and the new users are many and less knowledgeable, etc etc.

 

So it is a natural assumption that for every collections maker that does the things they are supposed to do, there will be many casual makers who do not. For every collections maker that will do right by the original modders, telling people who they are, saying go seek them out and thank them., ask me your questions about issues first...there will be a half-dozen who do not. And the "trial by fire" way of learning to make mods work, that by its very nature gives you more understanding of the way things work and for the mod makers that make these things work...the simplicity and the time-saving and the accessibility to a modded game that collections may hold is the very thing that makes people less likely to care, less likely to follow directions, to learn the right way or the better way to do it over time. They become less likely to make collections the right way as over time the ones who knew and wanted to do it well because they started perhaps as a mod maker back in the day, or a mod user that has been around and went through that trial by fire or are even more removed from even the first collection maker.

 

So, in the end what is more important? If my kids have take out ordering of food from their phone do they lose appreciation for my grandmother's cooking? Did I. Do I simply stop cooking for them? Should we not learn to cook because of it? Do we get angry at the time it takes to get it right or be angry when mistakes are made and it isn't the one-button easy? Who is to blame for that? Should we take away my grandmother's pots and pans or toss the phone out the window on Uber Eats?

 

It is not an easy question but it appears that people are picking one side or the other. The Nexus had an opportunity to move directions, to help preserve how things were or toss the lot out the window or something in-between.

 

Looks like we all have some choices to make.

[HeyYou]

Yeah, collections, just like mods, are going to be 'self-policing'. I.E. The users are going to test them, and if there are problems, hopefully they will comment on them. Just like they do with mods. (well, maybe not just like....) Folks that put out shoddy work, will get a reputation for that, and they just won't get many downloads. Folks that put out quality work, will. If the potential list user doesn't read the description/comments, and download a totally broken list, they have only themselves to blame. (but, they won't, they will blame EVERYONE else.....) After all, lists are 'perfect', are they not?

[CrEaToXx]

I'm not shocked and i'm aware of that. this happened already on russian and chinese sites with my presets. the scandal is that it seems that nexusmods supports exactly this modus operandi and even supports it from now on while hindering mod authors to stop this kind of abuse happening with their own mods. congratulations! and if you don't think this decision to the disadvantage of mod authors will not have consequences i'm sure you are wrong!

We're talking about a list of links. You comprehend? A list of links. If that list contains pirated mod content, I'm sure The Nexus will act accordingly, as they already said they will.

 

All you can do with a list of links, that qualifies as "clean" by Nexus standards(say no pirate or stolen content etc.), is approaching the list provider, and ask him to remove your mod from the list. And If the curator doesn't complie, well, then you're in a world of manure, if you don't learn to act more relaxed, and eas your mind on things you can't change.

[0z2y]

We are starting to see the effects of the purge...

 

 

And it doesn't look pretty. :(

 

I can't stop myself from feeling sad to what is happening, although many Mod Authors warned about it. No Mods, No Games, No "Collections"...

 

Something that could be avoided with a will to talk with the MA and reaching out to their concerns and demands. I believe for many, a simple delete button and the assurance that their mods were in fact deleted would suffice to make them happy...

 

Alas, we will never know now.