Trying to understand

[Raptilize]

 

 

Did this lawyer know that the terms had changed? That is, most of the files had been uploaded under a different TOS?

 

Yes, he does. He read the relevant parts of the announcement and ToS. From an ethical point of view, he condemns the procedure, but that will not help you in any lawsuit. You would have to be able to prove that the change was not announced or tacitly implemented and that would be quite difficult.

 

What would be difficult about looking at the bottom of the current ToS at the revision date and then matching that up against the date of the post? If he has looked at both of those things he already knows the answer to that question.

[MarchinBunny]

It's interesting this is still going on. I would think those who disagree would have just moved on by now and left instead of constantly arguing back and forth over something that clearly isn't going to change. Just a minority of people in a bubble who can't accept change, and just want to continually argue about it because they think they couldn't possibly be wrong. Think it's some kind of knightly crusade they are on to free people from the evils of this world, or bring truth. To battle the oppressor.

It's practically no different then when you go on youtube and you hear people talking about conspiracy theories and they try and be loud to try and get people to listen, but the only people who ever do listen are just the same people who already agree with them and are often doing the same exact thing. They live in a world of lies, one that they themselves created and just get a feedback loop to make them feel like they are correct.

I have read through a lot of these comments, and people who are against this change ... something I have noticed is they don't actually have any good arguments against it ... in fact ... they don't even have bad arguments, they just don't like it. It's all based on emotion which is why these conversation often end up with insults being thrown rather than actually providing something to refute what has been said. And why they typically go in circles.

And the even more hilarious thing is all the people talking about law who don't seem to actually know how copyright works. All bark ... and no one brave enough to actually try and sue, wonder why. The fact some of you do not understand that you, as in the copyright holder, can give permission for someone else to redistribute your work under a contract, there is nothing illegal about that. And by law when you do that under some form of contract, you must uphold your end of that contract. Being the copyright holder doesn't just give you free reign to undo legitimate contracts that you agreed too.

As an artist (and having made mods in the past), it always shocks me how many people don't actually know the law, specifically in terms of copyright ... especially when they deal in creating content themselves. They only go on the internet and constantly bicker back and forth on what they "think" the law is or what they "think" is or isn't allowed based on what they like or dislike rather than reality.

The entire reason you as the copyright holder can give such rights is because most businesses function in that manner, where you have the manufacturer and the distributor. You can't have one individual making an agreement with a distributor and then just allow them to go back on their word, it would be against the law to do that because you have a legally binding contract with them. That is literally the whole point of a contract, so one party can't screw the other party over. If you could just break it and not have any sort of repercussions in doing so ... contracts would not work.

This means, if you know at this point in time what the ToS is, and Nexus can prove that you are aware, such as in this very thread where you are literally talking about it ... you would not win a lawsuit against them if you chose to upload or keep your mods here. Nor would you even have the moral ground to stand on an act like they are taking away your rights. No ... no one is forcing you to use this site. If you decide to use it, your rights are not being taken ... it is you giving the site permission to have the right to distribute. You can't claim it's being taken when you are the one giving it.

But whatever, this will be the only reply from me. I just can't believe you all are still at it. ... and it's funny cause it's the same people, same conversation, nothing new, same misinformation from people who actually don't know what they are talking about but like to hear themselves talk ... for like 40+ pages now lol. Like as if the ridiculous long conversation on the announcement thread or on reddit, or under news articles ... wasn't enough. But hey, maybe it just needs another 40+ pages. Have fun.

Edit: Funny thing is, the next comment quite literally proves the point I just made. No arguments, just insults, and ad homs. And they call me a troll? XD Amazing. I will say though, they in particular are one of the worst. Literally all their comments are pretty much just spewing garbage, even when it's toward the admins just explaining their position.

[Guest deleted34304850]

thats a lot of words from someone with a proven history of deliberately missing the point and showing great ignorance on a whole variety of issues, but filling threads with trollish contratrian nonsense. well done you.

[Deleted31005User]

 

Just a minority of people in a bubble who can't accept change

Excuse me, do you even know what your talking about?

I don't want to nuke all my mod pages and lose years of history, endorsements, comments, and tons of links from other mods and videos and translations all linking to those mod pages, this is neither good for me, neither good for Nexus, and especially not good for users who will come across those mods/videos/translations only to click on a link that brings them nowhere.

All I want is to remove a few files without having to lose a single mod page.

That is why I stick around, because Nexus took away the delete function in secret, not allowing me to put my own house in order, and then giving this ultimatum of "surrender or nuke", neither of those 2 options in their ultimatum is acceptable to me.

Don't blame us for Nexus putting us in a trap by removing all other options in secret and then making it exactly like a hostage situation with an ultimatum, go talk to them instead, they caused this, not because of mod lists, but because of the way they force it all and strong-arm everyone.

 

You know that if Nexus announced in ADVANCE that the delete function would be gone, lets say 1 month before they actually did it, 90% of the people leaving comments wouldn't be here and fixed on their own what had to be fixed, choose for themselves what the best options would have been.

Now, we cannot even do this, we are stuck between 2 options, and both are just bad.

 

But I know, just another case of "blame the modders" instead of actually thinking about it properly.

Edited July 19, 2021 by Guest

[Neonsquare]

As an artist (and having made mods in the past), it always shocks me how many people don't actually know the law...

 

 

The irony is off the chart. You have created and continue to host material which breaks child pornography laws in your country. Maybe instead of writing long fallacy filled posts on internet forums, you should instead consider scrubbing your website of illegal material.

[Ladez]

And the GDOR only allows you to demand the deletion of personal data that was collected in the course of the company doing business. And that's data ABOUT the person, not data belonging to the person.

I included my username in the metadata for all my mods. That is personal data.

 

GDPR considers usernames to be Personally identifiable information (PII), even if they you made your username "RandomModder1212342354235435", so we remove them from any deleted accounts (either self-serve deletes or direct requests). This has been the case since shortly after the EU passed the legislation.

https://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/10223153-user-names-for-closed-accounts/&do=findComment&comment=96555728

 

An individual’s social media ‘handle’ or username, which may seem anonymous or nonsensical, is still sufficient to identify them as it uniquely identifies that individual. The username is personal data if it distinguishes one individual from another regardless of whether it is possible to link the ‘online’ identity with a ‘real world’ named individual.

https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/guide-to-data-protection/guide-to-the-general-data-protection-regulation-gdpr/what-is-personal-data/what-are-identifiers-and-related-factors/

 

[Zanderat]

In a lot ways, the bunny isn't wrong. It is a bit of an echo chamber in this thread.

[showler]

 

And the GDOR only allows you to demand the deletion of personal data that was collected in the course of the company doing business. And that's data ABOUT the person, not data belonging to the person.

I included my username in the metadata for all my mods. That is personal data.

Yes. And so did others. That might be the reason why they included the right to edit files. They can scrub mods of any imbedded data that would break the GDPR while still maintaining their license to distribute.

[HeyYou]

In a lot ways, the bunny isn't wrong. It is a bit of an echo chamber in this thread.

Folks are hoping that Nexus will see the error of their ways, and change this policy.

 

A lot like a dog sitting by the dining table, hoping someone will hand them some scraps....... :D

[Zanderat]

 

In a lot ways, the bunny isn't wrong. It is a bit of an echo chamber in this thread.

Folks are hoping that Nexus will see the error of their ways, and change this policy.

 

A lot like a dog sitting by the dining table, hoping someone will hand them some scraps....... :D

 

It might work then. That's main reason my dog has gotten so fat. Those puppy eyes...... :cool: