Valve/Bethesda announce paid modding for Skyrim, more games to follow

[LordAnorak]

In response to post #24569119. #24569589 is also a reply to the same post.

coelacanth wrote:

SvarogNL wrote: He has so much talent he needs SKSE to make his Mods work.

You knew?

Yet isoku is getting shafted by Valve and Bethesda and seemingly doesn't realize it, he only gets 25% of what's spent. I'd bet he makes more off donations through Nexus than he could ever by locking it behind the workshop paywall.

[Reaper0021]

In response to post #24568089. #24568194, #24568259, #24568389, #24568499, #24568534, #24568589, #24568629, #24568659, #24568809, #24568894, #24569004, #24569054, #24569089, #24569569 are all replies on the same post.

lilquickguy wrote:

Reaper0021 wrote: You're not seeing the broader picture. Until you do....no sense in explaining it as I can't type that well or fast. Research what this CAN lead too. Logic and Intelligence walk hand in hand and are close bed fellows.

boulegue wrote: sadly real developer jobs are rare especially those most modders want to do.... not agreeing with reaper since i think he is massively exaggerating but just getting a real developer job is not that easy... and theres a huge difference between working as a modder for yourself having free creativity and working for the "big evil" developers

Reaper0021 wrote: Not agreeing with boulegue as I think he is underestimating the true ramifications of what can happen here, but this can lead to all sorts of OTHER paywall issues here. THOSE are the problems.

mkess wrote: Yes, otherwise we would not have:

- micro-DLC frauds.
- Payed beta called "early access"
- Preorder, leading to bughells.
- Casual games, for the braindead masses.
- Unplayable Vanilla games like Gothic 3
- Bad and cheap console ports. Like Skyrim .... Remember the vanilla menu!

In all these cases, there is ONE and ONLY ONE reason:

GREED!

And so, the mods will be another point on that list:

- Paid mods. With DMCA takedown notice danger for ALL other modders and the community. They even mention it in their description!

WELL DONE, STEAM!

I am so angry.

boulegue wrote: please share your research with us

Reaper0021 wrote: THAT "boulegue" is the issues in small form what I'm referring to thank you mkess. He listed only some of the problems that can arise from this. Modding is a very small part of where this sort of thing can lead.


No research needed go look at "Early Access" games or "Pay to Win" or the DLC issues with games being cut apart and levels being held back until you pay $7.99 for them, etc. STEAM is full of "Research".

boulegue wrote: the DMCA claim through steam only goes for the mods posted for charge on the steam workshop, the DMCA claim option exists since the DMCA not just since today....

calfurius wrote: @mkess well with that logic everything should be free. Just because greed has caused some problems, doesn't mean charging money for something will always be a bad idea.

Paying for mods will have a learning period, and it will be bumpy. But I honestly think that this could be a good idea if it's done correctly.

boulegue wrote: mods are not full price titles and the FAQ page explaines that rather well.... the consumer not doing research is the problem.... a company trying to sell you things is not.... you can grow your own tomatos for free in your backyard... stop buying them at a grocery store its just a ripoff you can get them for free!

mkess wrote: No, not everthing should be free. But it would be nice to pay for a complete and bugfree game with modding tools, instead for the crap I mentioned earlier.

This is, in short, the reason I buy only GotY/Gold/Whatever editions for max. 15 bucks and less I am not willing to play their games any longer.

I am no fool, thank you. I was even willing to pay preorder full price for the witcher 3 .... until they announced, that you have to pay for future DLC, breaking their promise of a full game.

Keinichn wrote: Why worry? Because if some force makes it mildly successful, people will stop posting mods on here and put them on the workshop instead. The implications of this are huge. For example, if the guy who made Wet and Cold starts making money there do you really think he's going to leave that mod up here? I highly doubt it.

Reaper0021 wrote: You are missing the point here. Let me try it this way:
This isn't just about "Mods". Following me? Okay. What this says to Valve and other companies is this: "It's okay to cut certain parts from games, outfits and levels and weapons cause we can make them "DLC" and charge for them"."Hey, we can take a staple of our games, in this case modding, and since most mod authors pour their own time into these games, we can offer the modders a way to charge fees for their game mods yet let's give them maybe 25% of what they make, we keep the rest""Early Access games...there is an amazing idea. You pay $14.99 for the ability to play a game that's maybe 20% done....then later on when we finish the games (could be another 5 months or 3 years) we'll charge you the balance. All of this is a way to shake money from the consumer. I have been a member of this community for some time. I have paid and supported many mod makers. Not opposed to that following me? I'm opposed to "Big Business" sticking there already rich hands into it even more.

boulegue wrote: he already say he will release the mods on the nexus for free after a certain period of time
theres a very good open letter by cheesko
https://www.evernote.com/shard/s53/sh/3c4f3e29-9b4e-41cf-9a72-1b3ed9f70c62/c727dccbb3398aebb5946afac7faaaea

theres also great responses by elianora, trainwiz, rigmor and a few others where they state they will never charge money for it....

Lordkabal26 wrote: And then there's Isoku who hasn't said a word and only released his 2.0 version of Wet and Cold on the workshop. Which has led to a massive **** storm on his comments section (which has been locked and the storm is continuing on his workshop page.)

Yeah I'm seeing that because he released the new version over there that's updated and left us the older version here without the fixes, changes, etc. I'm too old to participate in that kind of childish crap....but I am disappointed that this is all happening.

[boulegue]

In response to post #24569654.

Ladyhellion wrote:

i think bethesda deserve a cut too valve defnetly not but bethesda gave us the CK/G.E.C.K and those are pretty powerfull tools without we wouldnt have the mods we have today

[wallacemre61]

In response to post #24569124. #24569209 is also a reply to the same post.

kkunderwood wrote:

boulegue wrote: you have a 24h refund period if no questions asked already tried it just takes a couple of clicks and you have your money back

You dont have your money back, It goes steam vallet.. So the money goes to valve anyway, spend it or not..

[Theseus12]

This actually may bring more people to the Nexus community. Think about it. Person sees a mod they want on SW. They don't want to pay because they don't want to risk getting something that can break their game (and lets be honest here. Any combo of mods could potentially break anyone's game). They look on the Nexus, and see the same mod. And then they think "Screw the workshop. I'm not paying to get my game smashed," and come here. And we have more modders that may decide to donate to Mod authors after they try and like said mods. I'd rather pay for a mod via donations after finding out I like it as opposed to pay up front at the risk it will break my game. I can name a couple mod authors (AthenaX and Apollodown come to mind. Seriously, look up their crap. It's amazeables) that I enjoy multiple mods from them, thus increasing my desire to tell them to "shut up and take my money", if I had money I could spare to throw at them. On the upshot, I have a job now, so I could easily get it done as soon as I get my life sorted and I start collecting paychecks. I will donate worthy mod authors that have earned my money by creating mods I enjoy. I will never pay for a mod up front, only to find out that it would break my game. Sorry, those of you who plan on charging for an Alduin retexture. I just don't find a paint job worth fifty cents. Make enough good paint jobs in different areas, and I will toss a few dollars at you. And the best part is, while I am sending you three dollars for ten mods, that's still more money you would see if you somehow managed to to charge me 50 cents for each mod in ten mods, thanks to Bethesdaand Valve wanting 75% of your money. Basically, all I am doing here is cutting out the middle man.

[boulegue]

In response to post #24569549.

RavegedPyro wrote:

there already is one (i didnt know about it until today either) but not all modders mod for fun...

[choco2114]

I'm just worried someone might steal my mods and upload them there to make profits =_=

[DoverWolf]

just a little joke for all skyrim fans

 

We drink to our youth, for the days come and gone.

For the age of modding is just about done.

We'll drive out the paid mods and restore what we own.

With our blood and our steel we'll take back our free mods.

 

Down with paid mods! The killer of Modding!

On the day of modding's death we will drink and we'll riot.

We're the supporters of Moodding, and we fight all our mods.

And when modding is done, every one of us dies!

But paid mods is not ours and we'll see it wiped clean.

Of the scourge that has sullied our hopes and our dreams!

 

Down with paid mods! The killer of modding!

On the day of modding's death we will drink and we'll riot.

We're the supporters of Moodding, and we fight all our mods.

And when modding is done, every one of us dies!

 

We drink to our youth, to the days come and gone.

For the age of modding is just about done.

[WinsomeMinotaur]

In response to post #24569464.

grasscid wrote:

DIdn't he just make that number up off the top of his head? It could be 75% to the modder for all we know.

[JCDNWarrior]

This news makes me extremely worried about modding, gaming in general, and of course our cherished Nexus. You guys should probably look into talking with several network security specialists, lawyers, pre-emptively since this kind of encroaching, greedy behavior is going to want to remove all competition.

 

That 75% rate for Beth and Valve is insane! Surely they could've flipped this around?! How the heck do they think they can get the popular backing of people when, in all reality, when you pay for mods, you are paying Beth, a company that brought us a broken, unfinished game (despite efforts at patching) and Valve, who really has no need for even more money, let alone such a large portion for content they clearly are able to offer for free until now.

 

This appeal to greed is insane. I can hardly believe we went past this red line. I am losing consumer confidence in Valve and Bethesda and I already feel a lot less inclined in investing money, support and time in companies that so blatantly try to leech and in effect ruining such an amazing concept of free modding.

 

Don't feed these leeches, who do not deserve even more of your money for products and services you already paid for.

If you like an author's work, donate to them with kind words of support and a dollar or so. You may want to also back the Nexus itself, I can already see the legal fees coming into view in our dystopian future of 'Valve or Nothing'.