Big changes for the Nexus Mod Manager and the introduction of Tannin42, our new head of NMM development

[gabba]

Congrats Tannin, I hope you're gonna love your job and that the new mod manager will be stellar.

 

I wish that Dark0ne would first pay you to finish Mod Organizer 2 and fix the few remaining MO1 bugs though, so as not let the community hanging. If done with code reuse in mind i.e. as a base for the new mod manager, MO2 work wouldn't slow you down that much.

 

My wishes for the new mod manager:

- Please bring back the VFS (of course)

- Please make the VFS behavior bug-free (read: write a massive amount of tests) and well-documented. It takes quite a bit of time with MO to realize that if you edit a mod file with TES5Edit it gets modified in the MO mod folder, whereas newly created files such as Bashed Patch end up in Overwrite. Or at least that how it works on my machine, some people say different things which is incredibly confusing. There's some even weirder s*** happening when a file gets created then renamed by SkyProc, but the rename gets swallowed by MO and you end up with the intermediate file sitting somewhere in Overwrite.

- Please bring back the .BSA archive management from Mod Organizer 1. It's one of the best things you ever introduced, just set it as off so people who have no clue don't shoot themselves in the foot and annoy modders with false bugs.

- Work with the Mod Picker guys to figure some kind of integration.

 

Mod Organizer is just a few bugs away from perfection really, I'm super hyped about what you'll be able to come up with with more support.

[brt88965]

Cool.

[SammySahm]

This is so cool!!! I love the concept of merging both mod managers, and look forward to installing/uninstalling mod behemoths like Interesting NPCs in less than six hours! (yes, that happened.)

[Tannin42]

In response to post #43256435. #43259165, #43278925, #43279200, #43279615 are all replies on the same post.

Qrygg wrote: I have to say, other than jumping through hoops to get MO to function properly due to various bugs and whatnot, MO is NOT more complicated to use than NMM. In fact, I find it simpler. Install, download and install your mods, check the box, play the game. Couldn't be simpler. In addition, your install folder doesn't get messed up, and you don't have to periodically re-install the game because of uninstalling mods that replaced key game components.

Dark0ne wrote:

I would argue that MO is indeed much more popular, and even perhaps more widely used than NMM as far as Skyrim/FO4 modding goes.

More people login to NMM to download Skyrim mods each month than have downloaded MO through the entire course of its life on the Nexus. MO is indeed popular, especially with the active users in the community who actually comment (but who represent a small fraction of the total user base of the site). But the majority are still using NMM.

While I understand you said you download MO through GitHub and therefore your download stats won't have been added to the Nexus (although, if you downloaded MO at least once from the Nexus, it will have been counted), I'd wager that there are more people who use NMM without logging in each month (whose stats, likewise, wouldn't be counted) than there are people who download MO from GitHub rather than through the Nexus, so it balances that discrepancy out.

This doesn't negate what else you've said in your post. It just seems to be a common myth that MO is more widely used than NMM, which simply isn't true.

Exoclyps wrote: It's most probably not, as you say, more widely used. The main reason I'd like to argue is that quite frankly people do not know about MO. You got NMM as an easy to access link at the top while you have to kind of know about MO's existence beforehand to use it. This means most new users will end up using NMM in their first go.

And since different users wants different options what I'd love to see is an option, like a switch that goes "Turn On vfs" that uses the MO's system. This would give both sides the option to use what they like.

Qrygg wrote: I stand corrected, re-reading the OP I see now that you already stated this. Somehow I must have skipped over it. Apologies.

A switch or something along those lines is exactly what we need. I dislike it when people say that something needs to be one thing or the other. Why not both? Unless there is a technical reason, of course.

MrJoseCuervo wrote: It would be interesting to see who uses what. I would bet most MOD creators use MO because they realize how superior it is. Even the Nexus sees this. I am a few of those 20 Million downloads of NMM but I would never go back after using MO.

@MrJoseCuervo: I have no numbers but I'd assume that most Mod Authors will not use MO because they heard of or encountered problems with the CK and other tools. Running the papyrus compiler through MO is a pita unfortunately.
I think MO is mostly attractive to mod users with large mod lists and those who like to experiment a lot.
At least that is the user group I count myself into and it's the one I had in mind developing MO, choosing which features to implement.

[Greywynd]

In response to post #43224730. #43229715, #43231195, #43231225, #43234520, #43237900, #43238095, #43248580, #43248780, #43256345, #43256845, #43258870, #43261500, #43262515, #43262825, #43264055, #43264355, #43265250, #43265975, #43266150, #43268550, #43270650, #43271300, #43272015, #43274835, #43277400, #43278605, #43280025, #43280880, #43282555, #43282860 are all replies on the same post.

fgambler wrote: What will be the name of the new app? NMO (Nexus Mod Organizer)? :D

Tannin42 wrote: Suggestions are welcome... :D

GuardianAngel42 wrote: NNMM: New Nexus Mod Manager.

renthal311 wrote: hahaha Fgambler, I'm with tears in his eyes :D :D

pStyl3 wrote: NexMO = Nexus Mod Organizer

HadToRegister wrote: I like what someone previously suggested but without the 'x'

NeMO = Nexus Mod Organizer

Thallassa wrote: I think NeMO is the best one I've heard, but I'm still partial to "NOMM" (not quite sure how that acronym works out but it's cute).

fgambler wrote: NeMO kinda sounds nice but not so serious, it's a name either attached to a fish or a nintendo 8-bit game :P

HadToRegister wrote: I was thinking of a famous Submarine Captain from a book by Jules Verne ;)

FreeWare wrote: How about NMM v2.0? Or 1.0 could work too. The name doesn't really need to change, it's already as good as it can be.

spartanops101 wrote: NMUMMMO - Nexus Mod's Ultimate Mod Manager and Mod Organiser

}{ellKnight wrote: Voting for NeMO.

Optionally include images of sushi.

Warsadle wrote: NMO = Nexus Mod Organiser is a straight foreword combination of the names, okay.

NNMM = New Nexus Mod Manager, too many repeated letters in the acronym to be used as a short hand name.

NexMO = Nexus Mod Organiser, good name and it rolls of the tong easy.

NeMO = Nexus Mod Organiser, also a good name, and the acronym is good.

NOMM = Up to readers interpretation of how the acronym works, mine would be
Nexus Organising Mod Manager, funny name though!

What I would use?

Mod Library Organiser (MLO (pronunciation: EM-Low))

hex77x wrote: Gaming Extras Tool Designed As Totally Awesome Stuff Stuffer.

KeltecRFB wrote: I like NOMM, NexMO, NMO, or NEXT (no acronym, simply means the NEXT Nexus Mod Manager).

northtreker wrote: Nemo could also reference Ulysses (Odysseus) calling himself Nemo - nobody (Outis) to fool the cyclops and show that the Gods had looked away from him in the Illiad.

It sounds like this new organizer has gone on a long journey to come home.

pedantic wrote: MOLE - Mod organiser legendary edition.

Edit: Avogadro Number, anyone? Not to mention burrowing :D

chrislm wrote: NUMM: Nexus Ultimate Mod Manager

HadToRegister wrote:

pedantic

Edit: Avogadro Number, anyone? Not to mention burrowing

Not to be confused with Avocado's Number which shows the number of atoms in a guacamole

pedantic wrote: @HadToRegister

Lol - yeah. I was simply referring to the " chemistry " of the thing, plus a HUGE number! All encompassing. :D

KensaiTonada wrote: I'm Digging NeMO and NEXMO

wagonborn wrote: Nexus Mod Organizer seems fitting, and it can be read like "en-moe" when abbreviated to NMO, which I think is pretty snazzy

Poacher886 wrote: How about MODIT

CyniclyPink wrote: I'm liking NeMO and NexMO

GeneralNutt wrote: +NMO

But call it rotten fish, just as long as it's ready to handle what ever comes out on OCT28, as well as MO did!

Also, please please keep the virtual directories, that is a god send.

Rebel47 wrote: I can't currently think of any of my own that would befit such a tool that hasn't already been posted up here, so instead for now until my brain kicks in, I'm going to give a solid acronym for Thallassa's idea.

N.O.M.M = Nexus Official Mod Manager

Everytime I see NeMO though I think of a fish, I'm not sure I could take the mod manager seriously with a name like that :D

vimebox wrote: NEMO is the best name I think :)

MrJoseCuervo wrote: MONE

Mod Organizer NExus

Pronounced like "Money"

Because that's what your after right?

cerebii wrote: NeMO sounds great!

On another note, I'm really glad you're back working on a mod manager, Tannin, I honestly thought you'd found some unfixable bug with MO and quit!

Very excited for the future of the modding community!

Videmaster wrote: I Like HadToRegister's Idea of NeMO

frogsot wrote: Neo Nexus mod manager

I'm liking NeMo. Easy to say - short and means something.

[rkamiya]

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fgambler wrote: What will be the name of the new app? NMO (Nexus Mod Organizer)? :D

Tannin42 wrote: Suggestions are welcome... :D

GuardianAngel42 wrote: NNMM: New Nexus Mod Manager.

renthal311 wrote: hahaha Fgambler, I'm with tears in his eyes :D :D

pStyl3 wrote: NexMO = Nexus Mod Organizer

HadToRegister wrote: I like what someone previously suggested but without the 'x'

NeMO = Nexus Mod Organizer

Thallassa wrote: I think NeMO is the best one I've heard, but I'm still partial to "NOMM" (not quite sure how that acronym works out but it's cute).

fgambler wrote: NeMO kinda sounds nice but not so serious, it's a name either attached to a fish or a nintendo 8-bit game :P

HadToRegister wrote: I was thinking of a famous Submarine Captain from a book by Jules Verne ;)

FreeWare wrote: How about NMM v2.0? Or 1.0 could work too. The name doesn't really need to change, it's already as good as it can be.

spartanops101 wrote: NMUMMMO - Nexus Mod's Ultimate Mod Manager and Mod Organiser

}{ellKnight wrote: Voting for NeMO.

Optionally include images of sushi.

Warsadle wrote: NMO = Nexus Mod Organiser is a straight foreword combination of the names, okay.

NNMM = New Nexus Mod Manager, too many repeated letters in the acronym to be used as a short hand name.

NexMO = Nexus Mod Organiser, good name and it rolls of the tong easy.

NeMO = Nexus Mod Organiser, also a good name, and the acronym is good.

NOMM = Up to readers interpretation of how the acronym works, mine would be
Nexus Organising Mod Manager, funny name though!

What I would use?

Mod Library Organiser (MLO (pronunciation: EM-Low))

hex77x wrote: Gaming Extras Tool Designed As Totally Awesome Stuff Stuffer.

KeltecRFB wrote: I like NOMM, NexMO, NMO, or NEXT (no acronym, simply means the NEXT Nexus Mod Manager).

northtreker wrote: Nemo could also reference Ulysses (Odysseus) calling himself Nemo - nobody (Outis) to fool the cyclops and show that the Gods had looked away from him in the Illiad.

It sounds like this new organizer has gone on a long journey to come home.

pedantic wrote: MOLE - Mod organiser legendary edition.

Edit: Avogadro Number, anyone? Not to mention burrowing :D

chrislm wrote: NUMM: Nexus Ultimate Mod Manager

HadToRegister wrote:

pedantic

Edit: Avogadro Number, anyone? Not to mention burrowing

Not to be confused with Avocado's Number which shows the number of atoms in a guacamole

pedantic wrote: @HadToRegister

Lol - yeah. I was simply referring to the " chemistry " of the thing, plus a HUGE number! All encompassing. :D

KensaiTonada wrote: I'm Digging NeMO and NEXMO

wagonborn wrote: Nexus Mod Organizer seems fitting, and it can be read like "en-moe" when abbreviated to NMO, which I think is pretty snazzy

Poacher886 wrote: How about MODIT

CyniclyPink wrote: I'm liking NeMO and NexMO

GeneralNutt wrote: +NMO

But call it rotten fish, just as long as it's ready to handle what ever comes out on OCT28, as well as MO did!

Also, please please keep the virtual directories, that is a god send.

Rebel47 wrote: I can't currently think of any of my own that would befit such a tool that hasn't already been posted up here, so instead for now until my brain kicks in, I'm going to give a solid acronym for Thallassa's idea.

N.O.M.M = Nexus Official Mod Manager

Everytime I see NeMO though I think of a fish, I'm not sure I could take the mod manager seriously with a name like that :D

vimebox wrote: NEMO is the best name I think :)

MrJoseCuervo wrote: MONE

Mod Organizer NExus

Pronounced like "Money"

Because that's what your after right?

cerebii wrote: NeMO sounds great!

On another note, I'm really glad you're back working on a mod manager, Tannin, I honestly thought you'd found some unfixable bug with MO and quit!

Very excited for the future of the modding community!

Videmaster wrote: I Like HadToRegister's Idea of NeMO

frogsot wrote: Neo Nexus mod manager

Greywynd wrote: I'm liking NeMo. Easy to say - short and means something.

how dropping off the "Mod" and the "Organizer" words, and just simply name it "The Nexus".
that would make it sound like a real nexus owned software. well, that's for my honest opinion about the name.

Thanks and more power on this new project of Nexus!

[lincolnshooter]

I am a bit apprehensive, more often than not trying to do make such a compromise leads to a “product” that neither group is satisfied with. I just hope it’s more like MO than NMM as I could not stand NMM. I hope it turns out for the best.

[Dark0ne]

In response to post #43279135. #43279235, #43279425, #43280200 are all replies on the same post.

MrJoseCuervo wrote: I think you are making a mistake joining a group who is eager to bend a knee to the corporate beast that had attempted and continue to seek to destroy our modding community.

I for one am sad this happened but hope you have sufficiently legally protected yourself and your intellectual property.

Qrygg wrote: Not sure what you are referring to?

Ivory_Soul wrote: The article never mentioned supporting corporations. Maybe if you read more than the title it will help.

Ethreon wrote: Tinfoil hats, get yer tinfoil hats here!

I think you are making a mistake joining a group who is eager to bend a knee to the corporate beast that had attempted and continue to seek to destroy our modding community.

He's joining the Nexus, not Bethesda...

[BlazeStryker]

In response to post #43279135. #43279235, #43279425, #43280200, #43286710 are all replies on the same post.

MrJoseCuervo wrote: I think you are making a mistake joining a group who is eager to bend a knee to the corporate beast that had attempted and continue to seek to destroy our modding community.

I for one am sad this happened but hope you have sufficiently legally protected yourself and your intellectual property.

Qrygg wrote: Not sure what you are referring to?

Ivory_Soul wrote: The article never mentioned supporting corporations. Maybe if you read more than the title it will help.

Ethreon wrote: Tinfoil hats, get yer tinfoil hats here!

Dark0ne wrote:

I think you are making a mistake joining a group who is eager to bend a knee to the corporate beast that had attempted and continue to seek to destroy our modding community.

He's joining the Nexus, not Bethesda...

I believe the man (while drunk on his namesake) considered the Nexus to be complicit with Bethesda in some fashion.

Personally, I regard EA as the worst corporate offender in gaming by miles.

As far as Bethesda seeking to destroy the modding community, it is not. It is quite clear to me that the makers of the Script Extender or their brethren will make one for Remaster.

This is not an effort to destroy the modding community, it is Bethesda doing what it can with its own intellectual property, and still leaving the door open for modders to start anew.

[BlazeStryker]

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fgambler wrote: What will be the name of the new app? NMO (Nexus Mod Organizer)? :D

Tannin42 wrote: Suggestions are welcome... :D

GuardianAngel42 wrote: NNMM: New Nexus Mod Manager.

renthal311 wrote: hahaha Fgambler, I'm with tears in his eyes :D :D

pStyl3 wrote: NexMO = Nexus Mod Organizer

HadToRegister wrote: I like what someone previously suggested but without the 'x'

NeMO = Nexus Mod Organizer

Thallassa wrote: I think NeMO is the best one I've heard, but I'm still partial to "NOMM" (not quite sure how that acronym works out but it's cute).

fgambler wrote: NeMO kinda sounds nice but not so serious, it's a name either attached to a fish or a nintendo 8-bit game :P

HadToRegister wrote: I was thinking of a famous Submarine Captain from a book by Jules Verne ;)

FreeWare wrote: How about NMM v2.0? Or 1.0 could work too. The name doesn't really need to change, it's already as good as it can be.

spartanops101 wrote: NMUMMMO - Nexus Mod's Ultimate Mod Manager and Mod Organiser

}{ellKnight wrote: Voting for NeMO.

Optionally include images of sushi.

Warsadle wrote: NMO = Nexus Mod Organiser is a straight foreword combination of the names, okay.

NNMM = New Nexus Mod Manager, too many repeated letters in the acronym to be used as a short hand name.

NexMO = Nexus Mod Organiser, good name and it rolls of the tong easy.

NeMO = Nexus Mod Organiser, also a good name, and the acronym is good.

NOMM = Up to readers interpretation of how the acronym works, mine would be
Nexus Organising Mod Manager, funny name though!

What I would use?

Mod Library Organiser (MLO (pronunciation: EM-Low))

hex77x wrote: Gaming Extras Tool Designed As Totally Awesome Stuff Stuffer.

KeltecRFB wrote: I like NOMM, NexMO, NMO, or NEXT (no acronym, simply means the NEXT Nexus Mod Manager).

northtreker wrote: Nemo could also reference Ulysses (Odysseus) calling himself Nemo - nobody (Outis) to fool the cyclops and show that the Gods had looked away from him in the Illiad.

It sounds like this new organizer has gone on a long journey to come home.

pedantic wrote: MOLE - Mod organiser legendary edition.

Edit: Avogadro Number, anyone? Not to mention burrowing :D

chrislm wrote: NUMM: Nexus Ultimate Mod Manager

HadToRegister wrote:

pedantic

Edit: Avogadro Number, anyone? Not to mention burrowing

Not to be confused with Avocado's Number which shows the number of atoms in a guacamole

pedantic wrote: @HadToRegister

Lol - yeah. I was simply referring to the " chemistry " of the thing, plus a HUGE number! All encompassing. :D

KensaiTonada wrote: I'm Digging NeMO and NEXMO

wagonborn wrote: Nexus Mod Organizer seems fitting, and it can be read like "en-moe" when abbreviated to NMO, which I think is pretty snazzy

Poacher886 wrote: How about MODIT

CyniclyPink wrote: I'm liking NeMO and NexMO

GeneralNutt wrote: +NMO

But call it rotten fish, just as long as it's ready to handle what ever comes out on OCT28, as well as MO did!

Also, please please keep the virtual directories, that is a god send.

Rebel47 wrote: I can't currently think of any of my own that would befit such a tool that hasn't already been posted up here, so instead for now until my brain kicks in, I'm going to give a solid acronym for Thallassa's idea.

N.O.M.M = Nexus Official Mod Manager

Everytime I see NeMO though I think of a fish, I'm not sure I could take the mod manager seriously with a name like that :D

vimebox wrote: NEMO is the best name I think :)

MrJoseCuervo wrote: MONE

Mod Organizer NExus

Pronounced like "Money"

Because that's what your after right?

cerebii wrote: NeMO sounds great!

On another note, I'm really glad you're back working on a mod manager, Tannin, I honestly thought you'd found some unfixable bug with MO and quit!

Very excited for the future of the modding community!

Videmaster wrote: I Like HadToRegister's Idea of NeMO

frogsot wrote: Neo Nexus mod manager

Greywynd wrote: I'm liking NeMo. Easy to say - short and means something.

rkamiya wrote: how dropping off the "Mod" and the "Organizer" words, and just simply name it "The Nexus".
that would make it sound like a real nexus owned software. well, that's for my honest opinion about the name.

Thanks and more power on this new project of Nexus!

GA42--

"This. Is. Survival of the fittest. This. Is. Do or Die..."

Sorry, saw your suggestion and thought of Eminem.

Could have been worse. I might have had a Crash Test Dummies flashback.