What's the point of Vortex ? It serves absolutely no purpose, or I'm really missing something...

[Dogeek]

So, I've downloaded Vortex because NMM doesn't fetch mods from the site anymore. The one thing I ask of a mod manager is to actually fetch data from the servers, and have all the available mods in the software, and be able to sort through them and install them easily.

 

Right now, it's the opposite. This piece of crap is just so that you can enable or disable mods, and click a link on the browser to install a mod. No list of mods, I still have to go through the horrible user interface that is nexus mods. I still have to have 500 tabs open in my browser to install f*#@ing mods for skyrim.

 

What's the point of having a mod manager, if not for it to have the most basic feature you could ask a mod manager to have. MODS.

 

Right now, I'm confused, as it provides no advantage to use that piece of crap.

 

1/ I can't choose the installation location if I want to have updates, so I have to use valuable space from my tiny boot SSD for that

2/ The UI is one of the most impractical UI I've ever seen. NMM's was much cleaner, and practical to use.

3/ IIRC, NMM allowed you to fetch mods from the nexus, and install them from the app itself, so no need to go through the website for it, which is a pain

4/ 1 MB/s maximum download speed ? Seriously ? Some mods are over 3 GB, so about a 50 minutes download while it could take about 1 minute. It doesn't make sense, as faster connections free up the bandwidth quicker, and slower connections don't see the difference.

 

rant over.

[JimboUK]

Update your NMM and it will connect, the reason for the update is here https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/news/13481 As for Vortex, it's in alpha, don't use it if you're not willing to put up with bugs. And in future leave the profanity out of your posts or they'll be removed.

[rmm200]

I don't often get a chance to thank the staff - so let me take this chance to thank you folks for the work you do keeping us unruly masses in check.

Makes this site much more pleasant to contribute to.

[digitaljc]

+1. Thank you!

[Ethreon]

None of the mod managers allow you to browse mods directly from their interface, so why is Vortex bad for not doing that?

[Dark0ne]

The one thing I ask of a mod manager is to actually fetch data from the servers, and have all the available mods in the software, and be able to sort through them and install them easily.

 

That's three things.

 

Right now, it's the opposite. This piece of crap is just so that you can enable or disable mods, and click a link on the browser to install a mod. No list of mods, I still have to go through the horrible user interface that is nexus mods. I still have to have 500 tabs open in my browser to install f***ing mods for skyrim.

 

No other mod manager for Bethesda games has all the available mods in the software. It's like this on purpose.

 

What's the point of having a mod manager, if not for it to have the most basic feature you could ask a mod manager to have. MODS.

 

And yet, you've been using NMM and haven't come on here to rudely rant about it yet.

 

2/ The UI is one of the most impractical UI I've ever seen. NMM's was much cleaner, and practical to use.

 

 

This feedback isn't very useful to us without more information. What don't you like about it? How do you think it could be better? What did you prefer about NMM that you don't like in Vortex? You need to be specific.

 

 

3/ IIRC, NMM allowed you to fetch mods from the nexus, and install them from the app itself, so no need to go through the website for it, which is a pain

 

 

It did not.

 

4/ 1 MB/s maximum download speed ? Seriously ? Some mods are over 3 GB, so about a 50 minutes download while it could take about 1 minute. It doesn't make sense, as faster connections free up the bandwidth quicker, and slower connections don't see the difference.

 

This was also the same in NMM. It's not about how fast you can download, it's about the number of users we have downloading at any one time (on average, we have 3,000 download's active at any one time) and ensuring we can provide a consistent service to everyone.

[sopmac45]

@ Nexus staff :

 

- Thanks for monitoring and answering and rectifying some inputs that are not nice at all.

[JimmyRJump]

So, I've downloaded Vortex because NMM doesn't fetch mods from the site anymore. The one thing I ask of a mod manager is to actually fetch data from the servers, and have all the available mods in the software, and be able to sort through them and install them easily.

 

Right now, it's the opposite. This piece of crap is just so that you can enable or disable mods, and click a link on the browser to install a mod. No list of mods, I still have to go through the horrible user interface that is nexus mods. I still have to have 500 tabs open in my browser to install f***ing mods for skyrim.

 

What's the point of having a mod manager, if not for it to have the most basic feature you could ask a mod manager to have. MODS.

 

Right now, I'm confused, as it provides no advantage to use that piece of crap.

 

1/ I can't choose the installation location if I want to have updates, so I have to use valuable space from my tiny boot SSD for that

2/ The UI is one of the most impractical UI I've ever seen. NMM's was much cleaner, and practical to use.

3/ IIRC, NMM allowed you to fetch mods from the nexus, and install them from the app itself, so no need to go through the website for it, which is a pain

4/ 1 MB/s maximum download speed ? Seriously ? Some mods are over 3 GB, so about a 50 minutes download while it could take about 1 minute. It doesn't make sense, as faster connections free up the bandwidth quicker, and slower connections don't see the difference.

 

rant over.

May I be so bold as to suggest that, instead of complaing, you should do yourself a favour and READ the relevant articles and info about how a few things work. Because, your whole post is based on the fact you didn't get the memo about Nexus download servers switching from HTTP to HTTPS and the bits and pieces about NMM are nonsense.

 

There you go.

[Dogeek]

2/ The UI is one of the most impractical UI I've ever seen. NMM's was much cleaner, and practical to use.

This feedback isn't very useful to us without more information. What don't you like about it? How do you think it could be better? What did you prefer about NMM that you don't like in Vortex? You need to be specific.

So I'm going to explain the number of things that are done wrong with Vortex :

First : Categories. It's Impossible to browse mods by categories in Vortex (or it's buried in a sub sub sub menu I haven't found yet). The only thing you can do is sort the treeview and then scroll down to the relevant category, which is awful especially since you never use a mod manager for a few mods. I play skyrim with at least 50 mods. It's just a pain to navigate.

 

Second : Installation and download. The number of download threads is limited to whether you're premium or not, which it was not with NMM. That's stupid, it's only relevant for folks (like me) who have fast internet connections, and can download multiple mods at once. Installation is no better, you can't have an "Install all" button, that goes through every mod, and installs them, the installation process takes me 10x as long as the downloads. Every mod lists its dependancies, and have patches to fix compatibility issues. It's not hard to go through all of them, build a binary tree of all the dependancies, and install all the mods in the right order, and apply the relevant patches.

 

Third : SKSE wasn't detected with SkyUI, even though it's properly installed, through steam (so latest version). That requires a fix.

 

Fourth : configuration. To get mods to deploy, Vortex has to be on the same drive as the game you want to mod. That's stupid, you can easily copy files to another drive than the one the app is installed on.

 

Fifth : performance. Themes, and all that fancy "steam-like" UI is heavy on resources, and it serves no purpose. NMM had no themes or extra fancy bullshit, but it ran really smoothly. Vortex is lagging every time you install a mod.

 

Sixth : download speeds. I upgraded to premium. I don't see the difference, or barely. Download speeds still suck, and I've got 1 Gbps of bandwidth (thanks optic fiber). I'm still downloading mods at like 3-10 MB per seconds, while I could easily reach 80-90.

 

Seventh : the number of hoops you have to go through to change games. You have to go to games : manage game : mods to change. In the meantime, the top bar of the UI isn't used. I just have a shortcut to run the current game. Why not have that populated with shortcuts to games you have to switch to manage them, and not run them, no one will ever use those shortcuts to run anyway. Just for skyrim, it doesn't even run SKSE if it's installed, so what's the point.

 

Eighth: No sorting my installed/not installed mods

 

Nineth: No search engine built-in

 

Also I'll repeat it, it should have a mod browser built in. Or the website needs to facilitate navigation. Right now, I have to search for mods (fair enough), then oncee I find the mod I want, I have to go to the mod page, then to the files tab, then click the appropriate file to download the mod. All of that could just be a simple "+" or "NMM" or whatever button on the thumbnail of the mod in the search results that appears on hover. And it is relatively easy to make a mod browser. I myself made an app that references a whole bunch of games in a database and allows you to download the ones you want. And those games used a whole bunch of different hosts for their games (mediafire, mega.co.nz, google drive, dropbox, on their servers, itch.io among the most populars). It didn't take long to make (about 3 weeks all by myself).

[Grestorn]

1st: Enable "advanced mode" in the settings, then you can filter by cateories and many other things.

 

2nd: Probably a Nexus decision and one I can understand. You get what you (don't) pay for.

I remember the HOURS I've waited for NMM to unpack and "activate" a larger mod. Not happening with Vortex. Even though it's not perfect, it's nowhere near as clumsy as NMM in that regard.

Not sure if I understand your "binary tree" suggestion. Are you expecting Vortex to read, understand and follow the installation instruction written by the author by itself? Wow, if you write a software capable of something like this, be sure to write to Google, they'll pay you billions for that!

 

3rd: I don't understand "SKSE wasn't detected with SkyUI". You you mean that SKSE wasn't properly installed in the first place? How is that Vortex' fault?

 

4th: Vortex works with file hardlinks, saving lots of disk space and also time, because the data just doesn't have to be copied. Downside: The mods have to be unpacked on the same partition the game is installed to, because hardlinks only work on the same partition. But I really fail to see the disadvantage of this. The archives, by the way, can be stored anywhere you like!

 

5th: No, the themes don't affect the performance at all. There are performance issues, but they're certainly not caused by themeing.

 

6th: Complain at Nexus, they're responsible for download speeds.

 

7th: Hey, a valid suggestion :smile:

 

8th: Of course there is. Enable advanced mode.

 

9th: Of course there is. Enable advanced mode.

 

 

Nexus spent a lot of time and money to implement their mod browsing interface on their website. I just don't see why it would be feasible for them to do the same in a Windows app... It would just be a waste of money. If you're not happy with Nexus' browsing, then they should fix THAT, and not implement another UI in an external tool.