nt5raham Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 I've noticed starting with v1.3.16 and continuing with v1.3.17 that when the Sort operation is underway, the plugins list is no longer visible. All that is seen is the circular animation in the center of the Plugins screen. Is this by design? Why it matters: There used to be several tasks that could be accomplished during a sort that would (should) not affect the sort itself. These are of an "information gathering" nature, such as finding out which mod is associated with a particular plugin, reviewing rules and groups for planning purposes when resolving conflicts, reviewing dependencies and masters required by various plugins, reviewing LOOT notes and recommendations, etc. These options are no longer available with the latest updates. Since I am sorting over 1,200 plugins, sorting takes more than 20 minutes. That means that my usual method of multi-tasking while doing plugin maintenance (investigation and planning during a sort) is no longer an option. I used to be able to get a lot of "homework" done during the 20+ minutes that a sort takes. Now all I can do is wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zanderat Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 Wait. 1200 plugins? Zoinks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nt5raham Posted November 6, 2020 Author Share Posted November 6, 2020 Yeah, several hundred of them are disabled because they are in merged plugins, but LOOT still insists on sorting them anyway. That doesn't make sense to me, but @Tannin42 says that's normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickysaurus Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 I can confirm this behaviour change. I'll make sure Tannin knows about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nt5raham Posted November 11, 2020 Author Share Posted November 11, 2020 Did we ever get word back on whether this is intended behavior? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickysaurus Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 I spoke to Tannin and he said that blocking the table during a sort was an intended change as users were getting confused that Vortex would show an incorrect load order until the sort operation completes. A sort operation taking 20 minutes does not seem right to me though, even with 1,200 plugins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nt5raham Posted November 11, 2020 Author Share Posted November 11, 2020 I understand trying to avoid confusion. Perhaps that could be made an option, with the default to block the table but with an "Advanced" option to show it? The option could be buried 10 levels deep and require a secret decoder ring to access it. :smile: Regarding the sort time, it doesn't seem right to me either. It is actually over 30 minutes (I "rough" timed it recently). I do have multiple Profiles with varying sizes of load orders, and the sort time is pretty consistent regarding taking more time with an increasing number of plugins. It isn't like Vortex is flat out broken, just having difficulty handling the load. I brought the excessive sort time up once before, and Tannin looked at it and didn't indicate any concern. I'll update that thread with the longer sort times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HadToRegister Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 I understand trying to avoid confusion. Perhaps that could be made an option, with the default to block the table but with an "Advanced" option to show it? The option could be buried 10 levels deep and require a secret decoder ring to access it. :smile: Regarding the sort time, it doesn't seem right to me either. It is actually over 30 minutes (I "rough" timed it recently). I do have multiple Profiles with varying sizes of load orders, and the sort time is pretty consistent regarding taking more time with an increasing number of plugins. It isn't like Vortex is flat out broken, just having difficulty handling the load. I brought the excessive sort time up once before, and Tannin looked at it and didn't indicate any concern. I'll update that thread with the longer sort times. Just for s*** and giggles, and assuming you're talking about a Bethesda game with over 1,000 mods, take a look at your "vortex.deployment.json" located in the game's DATA folder What's the file size? I have 314 mods, and it's 5.75mbIt contains (AFAIK) every single file, from BSA, BA2, to nif, dds etc in it that's installed, (If I'm wrong, then it only contains the files that you set rules for), anyway, it takes me a very long time to scroll through that json file, and I imagine with the amount of mods you have installed that that file gets written and rewritten every time you add/remove/deploy. Anyway, I'm curious about the size of that json file Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nt5raham Posted November 11, 2020 Author Share Posted November 11, 2020 @HTR, I'm switching over to my original thread regarding "Excessive Sort Times" which I just updated. Don't want to get the topics crossed with this one about the plugins window disappearing. I'll check the file size and post it over there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nt5raham Posted November 17, 2020 Author Share Posted November 17, 2020 Corrected/changed back in v1.3.18 Thank you!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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