Hope For The Best, But Expect The Worst

[maxmanatarms]

I fully agree with you as an avid user of mods. 10 years almost now and have posted in feedback pretty much detailing what i felt for this new thing they mentioned once 2 years ago. They can create the new baby to make money but Websites reviews for this is already painting them as thieves and they have become Apple/Amazon/Google cause "its the next big thing trust us either way stay and follow rules or leave if you don't like it" and i hope any good will/ blessing or other they have been enjoying gets removed and may the receive the karma of their actions.

[showler]

 

The survey that was done was about collections, nothing was mentioned about Nexus taking what amounts to ownership of authors mods in order for it to 'work'. And Nexus is the ONLY site that has taken that step. Steam has had collections for quite some time, and if mods disappear, it is up to the list curator to deal with it. They did not prioritize collection authors over the authors of the content those collections couldn't exist without.

 

 

 

So, Steam made a choice to say "Here are collections. You have no reason to think they might be reliable. Have fun." Whereas Nexus is prioritizing reliability and extra features as BigBizKit clarified.

No one is saying toss it aside. At least, I am not. But it needs changes. First and foremost, "collections" should never over rule mod author control. If a mod author wants their mod not to be included, that is their right. For example, say a mod author makes a cute follower NPC mod and some mod curator adds it to a porno pack, that mod author should be allowed to opt out. I know that is an extreme example, but it is easy to see why that mod author should be able to control which, if any, collection their mod(s) is included in.

Mod Authors have no ability to control whether their mods appear in any other type of collection. You're asking Nexus to make their system noticeably worse than the other options.

[Zanderat]

 

 

The survey that was done was about collections, nothing was mentioned about Nexus taking what amounts to ownership of authors mods in order for it to 'work'. And Nexus is the ONLY site that has taken that step. Steam has had collections for quite some time, and if mods disappear, it is up to the list curator to deal with it. They did not prioritize collection authors over the authors of the content those collections couldn't exist without.

 

 

 

So, Steam made a choice to say "Here are collections. You have no reason to think they might be reliable. Have fun." Whereas Nexus is prioritizing reliability and extra features as BigBizKit clarified.

No one is saying toss it aside. At least, I am not. But it needs changes. First and foremost, "collections" should never over rule mod author control. If a mod author wants their mod not to be included, that is their right. For example, say a mod author makes a cute follower NPC mod and some mod curator adds it to a porno pack, that mod author should be allowed to opt out. I know that is an extreme example, but it is easy to see why that mod author should be able to control which, if any, collection their mod(s) is included in.

Mod Authors have no ability to control whether their mods appear in any other type of collection. You're asking Nexus to make their system noticeably worse than the other options.

 

So Nexus should settle for being the same as everybody else? How about holding Nexus to a higher standard that they themselves have set?

[HeyYou]

 

 

The survey that was done was about collections, nothing was mentioned about Nexus taking what amounts to ownership of authors mods in order for it to 'work'. And Nexus is the ONLY site that has taken that step. Steam has had collections for quite some time, and if mods disappear, it is up to the list curator to deal with it. They did not prioritize collection authors over the authors of the content those collections couldn't exist without.

 

 

 

So, Steam made a choice to say "Here are collections. You have no reason to think they might be reliable. Have fun." Whereas Nexus is prioritizing reliability and extra features as BigBizKit clarified.

No one is saying toss it aside. At least, I am not. But it needs changes. First and foremost, "collections" should never over rule mod author control. If a mod author wants their mod not to be included, that is their right. For example, say a mod author makes a cute follower NPC mod and some mod curator adds it to a porno pack, that mod author should be allowed to opt out. I know that is an extreme example, but it is easy to see why that mod author should be able to control which, if any, collection their mod(s) is included in.

Mod Authors have no ability to control whether their mods appear in any other type of collection. You're asking Nexus to make their system noticeably worse than the other options.

 

It would be up to the collection curator to make sure their collection was up to date. Just like it is a mod authors responsibility to make sure their mods are up to date, and function properly with the current version of the game.

[Striker879]

Nexus reached a crossroad where they had to choose between pursuing their next big business vision or hold onto to core values that had allowed them to grow to the point of reaching that crossroad.

 

They have made it abundantly clear that they have turned down the new road and we have the choice of remaining onboard or bailing out.

 

I would have been fine with the new collections on the proviso that files/mods could be deleted at the mod author's discretion (the collections are just a glorified mod list like Bevilex's for Oblivion).

 

In the example of the Bevilex list if a mod author deleted one of the included mods Bevi found a replacement and updated the list. Nexus wants their product to stand out from the crowd and is willing to step on whoever gets in the way of their vision.

[showler]

Yes, but Nexus Collections won't have that huge flaw.

 

It's worth noting that even the people who are against this have often pointed out how Nexus has almost always been on the side of the Authors before now. Authors are half a percent of the members on Nexus. Since this appears to be an either or situation, with no realistic way for both sides to win, is it a surprise that they are choosing to support the other 99.5% of the members this time?

[HeyYou]

Yes, but Nexus Collections won't have that huge flaw.

 

It's worth noting that even the people who are against this have often pointed out how Nexus has almost always been on the side of the Authors before now. Authors are half a percent of the members on Nexus. Since this appears to be an either or situation, with no realistic way for both sides to win, is it a surprise that they are choosing to support the other 99.5% of the members this time?

If it weren't for mod authors, this site wouldn't exist. Seems kinda idiotic to me to alienate the very people you depend on for your existence.....

 

That said, there were multiple proposals in the GMAD forums, that would have worked perfectly, and everyone would have been at least OK with it, if not precisely happy. But, Nexus never even bothered to talk to mod authors about it. They just made a unilateral decision, and told mod authors, "This is it, comply, or leave." (You shall be assimilated......)

[ovinnik]

What reason is there to assume that some cobbled together list of mods is in any way reliable, be it on Steam or here? Will these so-called "curators" provide their own compatibility patches? If not, then simply pointing to outdated and quite possibly bugged versions of mods they've had no hand in making seems like a laughably poor approach to "reliability".

[Guest deleted34304850]

its not about reliability, mod authors, making modding easier, its all about $$$$. everything else is bullshit.

[HeyYou]

What reason is there to assume that some cobbled together list of mods is in any way reliable, be it on Steam or here? Will these so-called "curators" provide their own compatibility patches? If not, then simply pointing to outdated and quite possibly bugged versions of mods they've had no hand in making seems like a laughably poor approach to "reliability".

It's my understanding, that the list maker, will also be able to include things like a 'bashed patch', etc. In order for things to play nice.

 

Of course, just like mods, there are going to be lists that have issues, and lists that are really good. And everything in between. It will be up to users to police which are which. As always, read the comments/bug reports before downloading. :D