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And that is pretty much what Nexus is expecting to happen. Some folks will leave, but, others will come along to 'fill the gap'. May not be the same type or quality of content, but, it will still be content. Which is what their business is based on. Given the utter lack of response from staff, I don't expect Nexus to change their minds on this.

"Allot of the mod makers host it on websites. many of them too. What we are complaining about is the people who are supposed to be giving us mod users and the mod makers a location to enjoy them without worrying about the going 'we own them now that you used us" You may be here a long time user poster or mod maker. but that post clearly shows your not on the side of the mod makers who are having rights taken from them and want to fight to control that right of the work they created. For a mod maker I'm shocked your okay with Dark0ne literally going "we control them now on and you cant ever take them back" completely turning their back to mod maker rights and then lying about how its going to change and already archiving all files even after the request for them to be scrub from the system." :psyduck: :D I think you missed it too. :smile: Arthmoor is NOT pro-nexus, he is pro-author, and anti-nexus in that post. He has been one of the most vocal authors supporting authors rights for quite some time. Hahaa that was my response to them misunderstanding Arth. :D This thread is aptly named..... "Trying to understand" :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:​ :D The quotes confused me. Yeah. That's it. :) That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.

"Allot of the mod makers host it on websites. many of them too. What we are complaining about is the people who are supposed to be giving us mod users and the mod makers a location to enjoy them without worrying about the going 'we own them now that you used us" You may be here a long time user poster or mod maker. but that post clearly shows your not on the side of the mod makers who are having rights taken from them and want to fight to control that right of the work they created. For a mod maker I'm shocked your okay with Dark0ne literally going "we control them now on and you cant ever take them back" completely turning their back to mod maker rights and then lying about how its going to change and already archiving all files even after the request for them to be scrub from the system." :psyduck: :D I think you missed it too. :) Arthmoor is NOT pro-nexus, he is pro-author, and anti-nexus in that post. He has been one of the most vocal authors supporting authors rights for quite some time.

What mesh?

What mods ya runnin?

Fallout 3 wants games for windows live.... which doesn't exist any more. I think there is a mod on here that circumvents it.

Uninstalling doesn't delete everything in the various folders..... Try this process.

I really don't think being forced to have some variety of identification to vote is that onerous. Darn near everyone has a drivers license, or a state ID. They aren't hard to get. (well, ok, during the pandemic its been fun..... but, that is not a 'normal' circumstance.) Claiming that this is some variety of 'racism' is just using the term to cause an emotional reaction. It's propaganda. That's it. I have to show my drivers license before they will hand me a ballot, why is that ok for me, but, for someone else, it's racism??

Why should you be interested in updating your mods if you can't prevent any previous version from being used? It just doesn't make sense. Plus, the assumption is being made that the end user will only use the collection mods and not add other mods that may or may not work with the older content in the collection. Additionally, to Nexusmods contention that Collections are just trying to attract newbies and novices; then a better approach would be to have a dozen or so basic setups that are are rock solid and curated & maintained by Nexusmods itself allowing novices to learn the basic principles of load lists, conflict management etc. However, if your intent is to monetarize the site, and/or increase it's sales value, then the obvious first step is to take ownership of all the mods, therein. And any mods uploaded in the future. Including lists....... Wonder how that's gonna work out. :D You can't delete your broken list, you can only archive it....... But, after a couple weeks of watching all this, nothing is going to change. Not enough folks are pulling their work to even make a blip on Nexus radar. Therefore, they have no motivation at all to alter course. They will simply wait for the deadline to pass, and the furor to die down, (which it will) and be on their merry way. At that point, they can simply shut down any further debate, as the deadline has passed.... no reason to allow it any more, everyone that is still here, is locked in. It IS all about the money. Now, is it something that is going to be long term? Or, is Nexus gonna sell, and Robin then retire? Were I in his position, that would be REAL tempting.....

Sometimes, mod authors will have different permissions in the readme file with the mod, (if there is one) than what shows on the nexus page. Readme takes precedence. If there isn't one though, then the Nexus permissions stand, and you must have permission to use any of the assets.

that is a shameful response. just so you know, vortex support - where you posted looking for help because you couldn't do the most basic thing - and i replied at length on how to do it - but you baled out because you lack the ability comprehend? that's the last time i'll help you. you're added to the list of entitled, but utterly clueless trolls who can barely turn on their PC. You are the demographic nexusmods want and you deserve each other. Ya know, reading that last line was a shocker.... Mainly because, that is 100% spot on. These are the folks Nexus is catering to...... And mod authors are supposed to be happy about that??? Seriously????

Actually, this kind of behavior has been going since we started having elections. The folks in power get to draw the lines for the voting districts, so they creatively adjust them so that the opposition party voters are a minority in any particular district. It's called Gerrymandering. Been going on for a couple centuries. And then we have the whole 3/5ths thing, from the 1860's..... Not sure when that was repealed. (though I am sure the info is out there somewhere.)

~snip~ Dont forget they changed the TOS before they announced it to everyone and has been archiving files even now before the official "grace" period has even finished. The terms of service has change several times over the years, with zero notification....... The change from delete, to archive, occurred a couple years ago, I think. It simply wasn't obvious to mod authors until recently.

That link is for the NexusMods patreon. If they are getting money from that, it is going into the pool for DP, which are earned with downloads. If I had to hazard a guess, the system is totally automated, and once set up, requires very little human intervention. As that is money Nexus is essentially giving away in any event, they don't have any real reason to dink around with it...... Of course, we have no way to tell if they are, or not.... as they are a private company, and their financial records are no ones business but theirs. Don't expect to see ANY of that, ever.

Even Bethesda flatly state mod authors own their work. Of course, Beth reserves the right to do whatever they want with anything you release.... But, that's Beth. Nexus is not Beth. And now, Nexus wants to own mod authors work..... Hhhmmmm.....

Extract the particular asset you want, from the archive it is in, then, fire up the CK, and add that item to the appropriate section, and give it the stats you want.

Because Nexus isn't interested in building a system that's the same as or worse than what already exists. Yeah, by depriving mod authors control of their own work. Can't say I think much of that particular decision. (in case that hasn't already become patently obvious. :smile: ) They are not being deprived they can delete their mods, and not host it here :huh: Yet if I look at mod "new section" , looks like constant influx of new mods still so seems non issue. You and I obviously have different perspectives on this issue, and as you don't appear to have any mods uploaded here, you will have to pardon me if I don't give your opinions much weight. Tell ya what, let me borrow your car, you make sure it is well maintained, and I will just use it. Of course, I won't give it back when you ask..... Does that seem equitable to you?

Because Nexus isn't interested in building a system that's the same as or worse than what already exists. Yeah, by depriving mod authors control of their own work. Can't say I think much of that particular decision. (in case that hasn't already become patently obvious. :) )

He wouldn't be able to pay for any of it if it wansn't for authors putting mods here, the very same people who he now gladly throws under the bus by removing their own control over their own creations. Explain this to me: why are we not allowed to remove only a few files, why is there only one option to nuke literally everything? Ive got mod pages with thousands of endorsements, but I need to nuke everything, all the history, comments, links other people put to my pages, other mods that need my mod to function and also link to my mod, all because I want to remove only a few files. Nice rules... Because a "mod collection" might be built for a very specific version of that mod with patch files and maybe even a very specific mod to create a whole new experience to go along with the "mod collection" patching multiple mods together for example. Now imagine the mod author of just one of those 100 mods in the collection modifies or deletes the file off the website. All the patches and mods that might have been made for that collection would be broken. 100+ mods changing constantly (we are not just talking skyrim /f4 here) with thousands of users with broken save games. And how is that any different than what mod list authors have been doing since mods became a thing?

Even if people claim not that many mods will be deleted, the trust that always was here is now gone, we trusted Nexus to do the right thing, to respect author's right to choose if, when and where they will distribute their own creations and have full control over it. Nexus no longer has this trust, they made a 180 in secret and even removed the ability for us to delete 3 days prior even telling us, they have been planning this for 2 years... Always look at the actions, they speak louder than words, why would decent authors even upload on a website that takes control of their own creations they worked years on, for all we know Nexus will just make up new rules and do something like this in the future again, perhaps even worse, and then force it on everyone once more with an ultimatum of "surrender or leave" instead of giving decent options to choose from, or maybe they won't even give an ultimatum next time at all... Trust is one of the most important things in the world, its one of the founding blocks that made Nexus great, we could always rely on them to do the right thing...good old days... Well, with the recent changes, once the deadline passes, Nexus can do pretty much whatever they want, shuffle their ToS however they want, and authors will have NO recourse, at all. Their mods are here, and here to stay, regardless of what Nexus does, or mod authors have to say. THAT is what REALLY bothers me.

Because it benefits the mod user as much or more than it benefits the list curator. Because the "damage" to mod authors is minor and mostly philosophical. Because every decision Robin has ever had to make about this site has had to balance the needs/wants of the company with the needs/wants of the user and with the needs/wants/rights of the mod author. And this time the balance has moved away from you for the first time in a long time. The damage is "minor"??? Maybe in your opinion. Just taking a quick look around here, it doesn't seem that everyone agrees with you. I would suspect that a good percentage of mod authors do NOT agree with you. Do they disagree enough to actually pull their mods from Nexus? Some are. But, apparently, most are not. The reasons vary, but, here they are, and apparently, here they will stay. Permanently. Regardless of the authors wishes. Nexus needs to change their motto..... "Protecting users from the evil mod authors."

You should not speak about things that you obviously can't understand. I still enjoy modding. I will continue to realize my ideas as I always did. I shared my mods free of charge with you - the users - because i wanted to but not because i created them for you. Which is a small, but significant difference. Who is a user and who is developer? What odd mentality to have us vs them? Not only that you obviously have no idea about what many mod authors drives yet much less idea you seem to have about computer science. There is never only one solution that works. It is precisely the variety of ways which makes development so exciting. Except for the fact that I have actually worked on many projects on github and use to be a minecraft modder using minecraft forge (for which i also did some work fixing the forge patcher to work with new versions of minecraft) Yes would you teach me? Maybe teach me the basics of linked lists and hash maps or maybe some mips assembly? Did you use many pointer references in modding while coding in C? I need to learn all this computer science stuff as you pointed out I am a user. You and this... "Us VS Them", mentality is silly. I would point out, that you are doing a fine job of perpetuating that mentality. Still, one thing that I haven't seen an answer to is, why is the onus of making sure a collection works, being put on mod authors? Shouldn't it be the list author that is responsible for keeping his list up to date, and working? Why are we compromising mod author rights, to cater to list authors? Using a previous analogy, if some site had instructions, with links, etc, for a specific mod package for some game, and one of those mods gets updated, the LIST AUTHOR then goes thru to make sure that the new version still works well with his list, and updates it as necessary. Now, along comes collections, and the list author puts together a load list, and whatever patches are necessary, uploads it, and he is done. Never needs to touch it ever again, regardless of if some of the mods within it are updated to fix bugs, or whatever. Why are we catering to list authors? It is MOD authors that provide the content EVERYONE on this site requires. Shall we relegate them to lower importance than a list author? Where is the logic in that?

Name three. Wabbajack came along, and showed 'one click modding' was possible. Nexus wants their system to stand out, so, they will have collections that 'always work'. It was pretty obvious that this was the direction modding needed to go to grow much more, so, Nexus jumped on the bandwagon as well, with "their idea". Now, to make theirs better, we have mods that can't be deleted, so, any collection that is uploaded, is pretty much guaranteed to always be there. Which does indeed make them 'better'. But of course, the masses need motivation to spend money, thus, only premium members get the actual one click experience. And you just know that folks aren't going to want to go thru the hassle of downloading every mod, so vortex can then install them..... So, they'll spring for a month of premium. Nexus will be getting paid for collections. Simple as that. It IS about the money. If you think that's a foolish statement, then you need to look in the mirror. You've been cheerleading for Nexus since this whole thing began. Are you getting paid for this? Or do you just think mod authors don't deserve control over the work they create, and share with ungrateful, entitled people, such as yourself?

The fact that they aren't just raising rates or making Premium almost a necessity is proof that your "they just want money" idea is not true. If you don't think this is about revenue, you are deluding yourself. For the non-paying members, they get to download each mod in a collection individually. That gets really tedious for a large list..... Why not just spend a couple bucks for one month of premium, and get the 'one-click download' ability? You and I both know that WILL happen. And being a 'one-click' install, (pretty much) there are going to be a LOT of folks interested in that ability, and will to pony up a couple bucks to make it that easy. The fact that they aren't just raising rates or making Premium almost a necessity is proof that your "they just want money" idea is not true. Collections will not work with free users. You will need to click each mod in the 100+ collection and download it. then install it one by one. Collections with premium will download all mods to your system. They haven't stated if it will install them in the proper order but thats neither here or there. They aren't going to change it now. They will wait till the new system and tos is in effect and ironclad and then any new increases will hit then cause its to late for people to pull files away they will be stuck. Bait and switch is a thing and im sure many many folks have seen it many different ways. Im watching it happen now. once everyone in the pen. Thats when the carrot will turn into the club. They keep saying the collection (MOD PACK) is the new future for mods. But they keep stating "deleting will ruin it" They must control everything for it to work. and the new system works 10x better and functionally when you pay them to use the new system. Collections WILL work for free users. They just need to download every mod in the collection individually.

If you aren't overclocking, air coolers are just fine, and less hassle. :)