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It is actually shared control. You get to keep the original, no? They've obtained the right to do with the copy as they please. If I buy "insert any medium in here"(a CD for example), the original owner has absolutely no right to ask me to delete the copy, that he willingly agreed on sharing(selling). The only difference being, we shared our work for free. That makes as actually quite stupid, or not, because there we cycle back to the EULA argument, that prohibits us from selling any content we've created with any of the game developers creation tools. So the only real solution to that issue would have been not to start modding to begin with. I know that sounds shitty, but that's what it is if you willingly agree to share your content for free on the internet. You were supposed to sell licenses of your product, for compensation that new users have the right to use your content under given consensus(not copying, redistributing etc.). But that you can't do according to Bethesda EULA agreement. So again, starting to mod a game was an unwise decision if you ever felt the need to share it with the internet. However. I came here for another reason. Reading how the Nexus is trying to uncouple the forums from the Nexus file share platform, does anyone have any inside if there are plans to cease the forums existence in future? I feel like they are on a general path to update the whole platform to more modern standards. I really don't see Nexus doing away with the forums. Ever. Generates a fair bit of traffic, (ad revenue) and I do believe that comments on mod pages are also tied into the forum software. As for going to 'something more modern'...... You mean, like beth did, and essentially killed their community with the crappy software they picked, twice?? "Modern" does NOT mean "Better". My bank recently updated their online banking software, and quite honestly, the new platform flat out sucks. In the interests of looking 'more modern', they have seriously compromised the utility of it. I hate it. And I am not the only one. But, they won't change it...... Typical.

As I see it, THIS is the saddest part of the whole thing. This used to be a haven for mod authors. Robin has now turned it into a prison.

The key word there being "aware".... In the public section here, the outrage is already settling down/blowing over. No clue about the thread in GMAD. Granted, there has been a fair bit of 'news' coverage of this, but, for the most part, its just background noise. This thread will eventually fall off the first page, and the entire issue will blend into the background. Some mod authors will leave, others will take down some of their stuff, but, still others will leave everything here, and likely continue to update them. New authors will be along, and upload here as well, simply skipping over the ToS that a lot of folks never read. Just click the box, and away they go. Some will discover too late, that once they put their files here, they are here to stay. Some may never notice, others simply won't care. Life at nexus will go on. New material will continue to show up, just not from a selection of specific authors. No idea on if it will be the same quality/caliber of mods we see here now... (or, did, at least....) only time will tell there. Nexus has no motivation to change course. Therefore, they won't. Notice that staff comes in here and reads the thread, but, seldom, if ever, actually posts anything. The silence is deafening.

The NPC people love to hate. Wonder if she is more hated than Preston. :D

Copyright. :) Of course, that assumes that someone actually takes it to court. I really don't see that happening.

I'm sure he is - I wasn't taking issue with that, I just found your use of the word 'promiscuous' to be interesting given its connotations but accurate, nevertheless. :yes: Why was the Requiem crowd angry with you? Oh dear. Still no functioning FCOM install....!! How many years has it been now? I was able to beat it into submission many many many years ago. :) But, I started modding with Morrowind, so, had a leg up on most. TomLong made a REALLY good guide, I wish I knew what happened to him. (her??)

Post this in the feedback and suggestions forum. There is also a process to go thru to help them troubleshoot. Read here what they want.

Interesting idea, but, that would be complicated in a big way. :D

Do you use an NVidia graphics card? If so, turn off weapon debris in the fallout launcher.

That'd be an improvement for Marcie. At least she would stop complaining. :D And be useful. LOLOL. Yeah, that too. I assign her to food production, so she spends most of her time in the garden. Next, I think I am going to move the garden to one of the far corners of sanctuary. :D

That'd be an improvement for Marcie. At least she would stop complaining. :D

There is always a choke point in any system. Upgrading parts just changes where it is. :) That said, for most folks that are already running a 'gaming' machine, an SSD upgrade is ALWAYS a good idea. The faster the drive, the better. If you can do M2 NVME plugged right into the mainboard, that is ideal. I know that isn't an option on older boards though.

I think that was for some other update. I remember getting automagically signed out when the password requirements changed, and having to create a new password. (and I complained that Nexus password security was significantly more than even my BANK required. :) )

Most of us don't have a problem with collections, we have a problem with the way it was implemented. Any other mod list, and any other 'collection' tool for that matter, downloads the current, up to date version of a mod, and it is up to mod list (collection) authors to keep their list up to date, and ensure it is functioning properly. Now, along comes Nexus with 'version control', and they step on mod authors, so that any collection list will 'always work'.... (assuming it works in the first place....) So, the onus goes from mod list authors keeping their mods up to date, to mod authors no longer having control of their own work. Then there is also the WAY this was implemented. ToS changed a while back, but, it wasn't until recently that authors discovered that they couldn't delete old versions any more. An author uploaded a couple mods, discovered they weren't the ones he actually wanted to uploaded, attempted to delete them, and discovered he could not..... When he requested they be deleted, he was denied. As it turns out, that change had happened more than a week earlier, with zero notification, and no discussion with mod authors on that change beforehand either. They DID discuss it with other 'tool' makers though...... So, you can begin to see why mod authors were a bit tweaked about the whole situation. Several alternative options were offered, nexus staff didn't discuss any of them. They offered their ultimatum instead. Everything stays, or everything goes. They later walked that back a bit, and are now allowing selective deletions. What it boils down to at this point though is, if you upload a mod to Nexus, you are essentially handing ownership to nexus. That doesn't sit well withe some (a lot of) folks. I am very hesitant to respond but didn't expect someone to reply with something like this. And I just want to make this correction. Curseforge does collections where it most certainly does not just download the latest version. In fact, at least for minecraft that is a good way to end up with tons of problems because Minecraft itself works in the same way where you can play any version of the game you want. So that means, if you want to play 1.7.10 of minecraft and download mods for it, you would obviously need access to the older files. Plus, those who do make collections will sometimes use a previous version of a mod if they find a newer version introduces a bug that needs fixing or if an incompatibility is found with the newer version with another mod. When a user installs a mod list, it installs the version that was selected by the curator, not the latest version. I understand most games don't work the same way minecraft does as most people typically play on the latest version. But Minecraft is probably one of the most modded games next to something like Skyrim, and wanted to point out that out to show that no ... not all collection tools or whatever work the way you are saying. Literally the only difference between Curseforge and Nexus' method is being able to fully delete a mod. In fact, going on one of my projects on curseforge right now at this very moment ... I can't even delete older files. I can only delete the entire project. Which to be honest, I would be fine with if they allowed that here and actually think they should. But anyway, I just really wanted to respond to this specifically to make that correction. >.> Ehh I know I am going to get crap for responding again. But whatever, felt this was pretty important to clarify. Edit: Also, something else is all those older files are viewable by the public. You can't even hide them. If there is a newer version of a mod, it's highly likely the older version has been archived, and thus, is not available for a direct download. If it wasn't already part of a collection, then it never will be. (as I understand it.) Collections here are mostly aimed at beth games. Not sure how far back they plan on going with that..... (a 'collection' for a functioning FCOM install for Oblivion would likely make a LOT of people happy.....) So no, they DON'T work like minecraft, and the comparison doesn't work. That, and curseforge didn't sneak in their "You can't remove your files" thing either. As I don't play minecraft, I don't know if they allow deletions or not at this point. In all reality, I don't even know if Nexus even HOSTS mods for minecraft. :) But again, (and again... and again.... ad nauseum...) it isn't so much that this happened, It is HOW Nexus went about it. It wasn't discussed, it wasn't announced, mod authors were not consulted AT ALL about it. THAT is what really yanked folks chain. And also, there are CURRENTLY 'collection' tools out there in the world that can actually handle files being deleted from a collection. It is up to the COLLECTION AUTHOR to make sure that it works, is up to date, etc. Just as it is up to mod authors to ensure that their mods are actually working. If an author uploads a mod with a bug, it is up to the author to fix it, which they usually do, fairly quickly. But now, the bugged mod can't be deleted. Any collection that refers to it, can still get it. Anyone that downloads that collection gets a collection that is broken right out of the gate. The system as it stands now, is sub-optimal. The way it was developed was negligent in the extreme. The way it was announced was totally out of line. THAT is what folks are upset about. Just because someone else is doing something, doesn't mean that EVERYONE should. In some cases, someone doing something should have it pointed out to them that what they are doing really isn't a good idea. Nexus collections falls into the latter category.

No. No he wasn't. It was the Clinton administration that ordered the cruise missile strike (Operation Infinite Reach) on the Al-Shifa pharmaceutical plant in Sudan, precipitating a massive humanitarian crisis which cost the lives of several tens of thousands of Sudanese. All on the basis of fairly flimsy intelligence. Coincidentally the attack occurred only a week after the Lewinsky scandal and there was strong suspicion from various quarters that the attack was motivated, at least in part, by Clinton's need to 'look presidential'. And since you mentioned 9/11 in your comment, here's some further food for thought, taken from the link above: The implication being that if Clinton had acted differently, 9/11 might never have happened. Perhaps by 'good' you actually meant 'effective in certain areas'. Like his habitual womanising.... Bin Laden was already planning 9/11 even before operation infinite reach. He had been wanting to attack the US for quite some time previously. Granted, infinite reach was likely a mistake, but, one person died immediately, and sudan had to do something else about medicines for a while. Bush, on the other hand, started a friggin' war based on his own lies, that lasted more than a decade, and kill tens, if not hundreds of thousands. A fair bit of the world sees him as a war criminal. For slick Willy, they just kinda snicker behind their hand. :D

That's gotta be an error. I see the warning was issued back in March.... and you were suspended from commenting for 14 days.... According to my calendar, 14 days passed quite some time ago. :D

Most of us don't have a problem with collections, we have a problem with the way it was implemented. Any other mod list, and any other 'collection' tool for that matter, downloads the current, up to date version of a mod, and it is up to mod list (collection) authors to keep their list up to date, and ensure it is functioning properly. Now, along comes Nexus with 'version control', and they step on mod authors, so that any collection list will 'always work'.... (assuming it works in the first place....) So, the onus goes from mod list authors keeping their mods up to date, to mod authors no longer having control of their own work. Then there is also the WAY this was implemented. ToS changed a while back, but, it wasn't until recently that authors discovered that they couldn't delete old versions any more. An author uploaded a couple mods, discovered they weren't the ones he actually wanted to uploaded, attempted to delete them, and discovered he could not..... When he requested they be deleted, he was denied. As it turns out, that change had happened more than a week earlier, with zero notification, and no discussion with mod authors on that change beforehand either. They DID discuss it with other 'tool' makers though...... So, you can begin to see why mod authors were a bit tweaked about the whole situation. Several alternative options were offered, nexus staff didn't discuss any of them. They offered their ultimatum instead. Everything stays, or everything goes. They later walked that back a bit, and are now allowing selective deletions. What it boils down to at this point though is, if you upload a mod to Nexus, you are essentially handing ownership to nexus. That doesn't sit well withe some (a lot of) folks.

Actually, I'm basing it on the assumption that anyone that wants the quick install experience of a Collection rather than looking through thousands of mods is also unlikely to look through hundreds of Collections. They will look through the first few pages, which will be the ones with the best ratings. Did you miss the whole 'rating war' over on beth net? Folks would rate mods 1 star, just because. What makes you think it is going to be any different here? Please note, that rating system there ain't around any more. That, and ratings happen over a period of time. Initially, NONE of them are going to have many ratings, if any at all. And then, how many of the folks that like it are going to come back and rate it, vs how many folks DIDN'T like it? The ratings system is waste of time, effort, and programming. That has already been demonstrated. I am rather surprised that Nexus is going to make one of the same mistakes bethnet did.

You are totally missing the point. It has been explained to you multiple times, yet you still don't seem to get it. You are basing your assumptions that anyone using a collection is going to look at ratings. Read the description, etc, when he already have DECADES of evidence that proves FAR too many folks DON'T. You are, quite simply, a lost cause. You go right ahead and play cheerleader for Nexus. Watch what happens.

Ratings? Yeah, that worked just great over at bethnet..... To the point the system was scrapped. And endorsements? Presently, right about 1% of downloaders actually endorse mods. So, yeah, collections are going to be just like mods. If you don't read the comments, you don't know what its potential issues are. Nothing different. Your argument is meaningless. A collection with a broken mod included, is going to be broken, unless the list author updates his list, when the author of the problematic mod updates his mod. Just like it happens with individual mods. But now, the mod author can't delete the broken version, and if the list author doesn't update his list, his collection will remain broken. Why is that so difficult for you to understand?

This weirdly pervasive argument that Collections are "by morons, for morons" is very confusing. Why would someone with a badly put together load order want to publish it for others to use? Why would even the newest user trying out modding for the first time look at a list of available Collections and say "I'll take the one with the worst rating and negative reviews"? The best built Collections will rise to the top and become the most popular. The best version of a Collection will almost certainly be the most used. That's how it always works. Why do some folks upload broken mods, and then abandon them? Folks upload some odd and strange stuff. Not all of it works. Some if it is quite broken. Collections are going to be the same. Some will be pretty good, others will be awesome, but, there will also be those that are severely broken. If the folks using that collection bother to ask the list author for support, then others will see that the collection has issues, and won't download it. Of course, the folks that can't be bothered to read, and are just "ooooo, shiny"..... and download it anyway, will discover that things don't always 'just work'. It's nothing new under the sun. And of course, you have the folks that will download a collection, then decide they want to add 'other stuff' to it, which breaks it. And whom do they blame for their own personal failure? The author of the last mod they installed...... Which is also SOP for a fair few users...... Collections CAN be good, but, if you have a collection that includes broken mods, you will have a broken collection. And since collections are going to be 'forever available', folks will continuously be downloading a broken collection, even after a mod author fixes his mod.

Click on the dropdown menu up by where is shows where you are signed in, go to my settings, on the left, down a bit, is Ignore settings. Click on the 'add user' link in there, enter the appropriate username, and then click "done", or whatever the confirmation button is. :) Unfortunately, this thread has been dragged so far off topic, not sure it is even worth bothering with any more.

Actually, Clinton was a good president, just not a good person. :) When slick Willy was in office, the economy was good, we weren't involved in any wars, and I do believe he actually had something resembling a balanced budget. (not 100% on that last bit....) Then we had 9/11, and the world went to sh...... crap. I don't think its improved much over the intervening years..... some things have certainly gotten worse.... Apparently, voting laws vary DRAMATICALLY from state to state...... A uniform set of rules would certainly be good, but, I don't think the states would stand for the fed dictating to them how to run elections. Of course, for federal elections, they would have a leg to stand on, (the feds) but, for local stuff..... not so much. I don't see that changing any time soon either.

Erm, what??? I haven't read anything about that. Unofficial Patch team voted down the idea of removing the patches. They're all on his account with his own mods, so previously they were all tied togetherr. Ah, but, as they were uploaded by Arthmoor, if he nuked "all" of his files, that would go as well. So, it wasn't Nexus making him leave them here, it was the UOP team. Now, with the option of only removing 'some', will arth nuke the rest of his mods here??

Right. Ooops. However, I think the 'deadline' was responding to the deletion request email you would get from staff at nexus by august 5th..... (after you initially requested them to be deleted.)