Trying to understand

[HadToRegister]

Could people just add the Bunny to their ignore list and stop quoting them so the rest of us who already have him set to ignore don't have to see their posts?
It will get a lot quieter in here, and all it's doing is completely burying all of the previous posts that made good points.

[exlandia]

I'm just glad I manually downloaded and archived mods I like.

[MarchinBunny]

 

Just to explain this to you - because you obviously donât understand why people are upset with you. You belittled everyone here who still talks about this, who isnât in agreement with your opinion by saying how pathetic we are that we still talk about this here. Yet you are continue to talk here as well again, and a lot. That was the exact moment where you lost everyone here in this thread. You made fun of us, belittle us. You undermined yourself by doing so. Yet you wonder why nobody has a serious discussion with you. The lack of self reflection is what people rubs the wrong way here. I actually think you are not trolling. I think you lack empathy and self awareness. You think you are the only reasonable person here. You arenât thou, you are ignorant. Scroll back a bit and read your first message again. Itâs funny because you are now the person that you belittled in your entry comment. Which speaks volumes about you as a person. You point at the splinter in everyoneâs eye, and yet you are blind for the wooden beam in your own eye.

 

The funny thing is what you are accusing me of isn't even something I did. I didn't say anyone was pathetic as far as I am aware. Nor did I really make fun of anyone. Though, I would be curious if you could actually quote what part of what I said that makes you feel I was belittling others, rather than just accusing me of it.

 

And as for why no one has a serious discussion with me is the same exact reason why an admin can try and discuss things and you all literally do the same to them. The truth is, you don't want to discuss it unless it's in agreement with you.

I also don't lack empathy, nor do I lack self awareness (which is you belittling me btw). I just think you are hearing things poorly from me because that is the way you want to hear them because I am not on your side. Again, I not once belittled anyone for still talking about this. I only pointed out how I thought it was interesting many who disagree with Nexus have still not moved on, like as if something is going to change even though they have been fairly clear on their intentions. I also pointed out that it was an echo chamber in here which it has been.

 

Maybe I said it in a way that came off poorly, and for that I am sorry. It's really not my intention. But if you really think that is why no one is discussing this seriously with me ... I am going to have to disagree with you there. I don't think that is the reason because this is how you all were responding to me and anyone who didn't agree back when this news was first announced as well (so quick to call anyone a troll as well). I think some of you really should look in the mirror sometimes or reevaluate how you yourself are coming off. That is why being in an echo chamber can be bad, because it means you can do a lot of things that come off poorly but no one is going to point it out cause they agree with you.

 

Why do you think you never point out anyone else who comes off poorly when they are on your side? Like for example 1ae0bfb8 is particularly bad in the way they respond to people. It's like they don't think a human is on the other side of the screen.

[MarchinBunny]

Could people just add the Bunny to their ignore list and stop quoting them so the rest of us who already have him set to ignore don't have to see their posts?

It will get a lot quieter in here, and all it's doing is completely burying all of the previous posts that made good points.

 

 

Also, this is what causes more of an echo chamber. Just block or ignore anyone who disagrees with you. But hey ... if that is what you all want, then go ahead. Doesn't bother me, not like it's going to change anything at the end of the day.

[MarchinBunny]

 

Breaking a mod list is not my problem as a mod author. It is the mod list maker's responsibility.

 

I think it stands to reason that people working together to make things better is always the way to go. As in, I do think mod authors should care and at least view it as a problem that they would want to help with to not make things such a burden. It's why mod authors in the minecraft community don't just constantly delete things because they know tons of people rely on those files remaining up.

 

And? Is this supposed to mean something?

 

Pretty sure it does.

And? That sounds definitely like a mod list maker's problem. Why should I give up my rights? If I don't ask someone to put my file(s) in their list, why would it be on me to give up my rights cause they chose to do that.

 

It's not giving up your rights, it's giving permission to distribute, to make things simpler. Giving up your rights would insinuate you don't have a choice in the matter, when you absolutely do. And this doesn't even put anymore burden on the mod author. If anything this would alleviate some of that burden when a mod list is broken due to a removed mod and then a user coming to you to complain the mod list doesn't work because you removed it. And then when they install the new version and it doesn't work due to patches, they will complain even more to you that it doesn't work. Then you will tell them to complain to the curator. Is it not easier to just not delete the file? I don't understand what the problem is with that, this kind of thing is done already in a lot of different places.

 

And I suppose I could say, maybe it shouldn't be forced through a ToS. But I suspect many would purposefully try and sabotage the system since they were against collections from the start.

This is your weakest argument if you could even call it that. Try saying that to an automotive maker who wishes to recall a particular vehicle. It is their right to do so.

 

 

You realize that recalling a vehicle requires that it is given back ... right? It's typically strictly done for issues that could be dangerous without it being fixed. And if it's taken for a long period of time they give you a rental.

[gnarly1]

 

There are two things you fail to comprehend.

First, it is us authors that built Nexus Mods. Not Robin Scott.

Ah yes, I remember those days when, instead of wrestling with the Creation Kit and tearing my hair out when it crashed for the umpteenth time that day, I was actually writing CSS and html code for www.nexusmods.com.

 

I didn't even get paid as I just loved it so much.....

 

I feel this incredible camaraderie with all the content creators on YouTube who also built YouTube and all the staff members of news sites that also built Facebook.....

 

My clumsy attempt at humour aside however, your statement above is probably more accurate than that time you tried to convince people that the cost of labour is equivalent to the value of a human life.

[axonis]

 

1. If you find a security issue [...] contact Nexus, and let them know of the circumstances, and maybe [...]

 

2. [...] contact Nexus and see if they can help you.

 

3. You can't force people to forget, so I don't know what you even mean by this. Also ... If you want to take it back then don't offer it in the first place.

 

4. There really is no good reason to do this. I don't see how removing an older version of a mod would help in anyway

 

5. BS ... I can't even think of a single hosting service that even does that. Nexus is the only modding source that I am aware of that actually donates to mod authors. And licensing? Since when do mod authors give out licenses? In most cases hey would just upload the thing to both places to double dip.

 

6. Contact nexus and I am sure they will help you [...]

 

7. If it was reuploaded right away, it will be inaccessible anyway.

 

Again, nexus has specifically said they would delete mods in a case by case basis [...]

 

So in most cases you suggest to "contact Nexus, and let them know of the circumstances".

 

I have a better solution: simply find a more convenient mod hosting service so that you can delete old crap without asking questions.

 

3. You can't force people to forget, so I don't know what you even mean by this. Also ... If you want to take it back then don't offer it in the first place.

 

You can't force people to forget, but you can force Internet services to help you with that.

 

4. There really is no good reason to do this. I don't see how removing an older version of a mod would help in anyway

 

And who is asking you to see "how" ? That's not your decision to make.

 

 

BS ... I can't even think of a single hosting service that even does that. Nexus is the only modding source that I am aware of that actually donates to mod authors. And licensing? Since when do mod authors give out licenses?

 

There are known examples of services that had offered deals to mod authors.

 

Yes, mod authors do give out licenses. Seriously, I wonder why are you even arguing on things that are so easily verifiable, with such a conviction.

 

Also, "Nexus donates to mod authors" is a pretty broad statement. If they are charging for $2 premium and donate $1 to authors of their choice, that's $1 profit that was made in the name of "donating to mod authors".

 

Nexusmods is a for-profit business. Donations therefore can only be seen as a for-profit endeavor and only an auditing service (not Robin Scott's word) can tell otherwise.

 

If it was reuploaded right away, it will be inaccessible anyway.

 

No because it's archived already ?

 

But again, you'd say "contact Nexusmods, see if they can help you" to which I've already suggested that it's just easier to host files to a service that sensibly allows basic functionality.

[WileCoyote68]

It's getting really ridiculous. At first Brabbit1987 told us he will only write one single comment in this thread and now he doesn't stop spreading his very personal opinion which is far away from any technical facts. The guy seems to have an attention deficit or is one of those people who get paid for their comments. It doesn't really matter which of the two applies. There is no value in his comments

[axonis]

I still think he's eager to listen and also his sentiment is echoed deafeningly at certain Reddit and Discord channels. Given this forum is public, we can at least have some exposure of our own side of view.

[WileCoyote68]

Ask yourself why that is. His contributions are used to substantiate that the mod autors have no point of view other than their own. They are the bad guys and will negate everything that does not suit them. It doesn't matter if that's the truth or not. Look here! This comment shows you the truth. Such mind games are easy to see through and therefore completely meaningless. Such tactics are as old as human mankind. If you want to support your own opinion, present as many similar opinions as possible. If you want your opinion to be the only one, manipulate everyone involved until they believe it is the only one. If they still don't want to believe you, or if you fear that no one ever will, pass a law (ToS) that no one can oppose. Funny thing! That's how propaganda works.