Big changes for the Nexus Mod Manager and the introduction of Tannin42, our new head of NMM development

[CaarosKingOfChaos]

Looking forward to the new NMM. The only thing I really want to see is a more stable updating process. Literally every time I have updated NMM, I had to reinstall 90% of my mods. I would love to be able to keep everything up to date without having to sit around re-downloading mods for hours.

 

Hopefully this doesn't come off as rude, so I apologize if it does.

[rdunlap]

In response to post #43268200. #43275535 is also a reply to the same post.

OnyxSix wrote: If this doesn't end up having MO's virtual file system(Not a butchered, broken version, the exact vfs that MO has) then this will go unused by me no matter how many bells and whistles you strap to it.

Might be fine for a good chunk of people, and that's ok, but it won't be for me. I'd honestly rather stick to an alpha version of Mod Organizer than use a mod manager without that VFS again, it was just too good of a feature to go back to not using.


Yes I'm aware my opinion isn't worth the dirt on most people's boots but I'm sharing it either way, just to get it out there into the void.

I wish you all the best regardless, hope it turns out well.

Arthmoor wrote: And conversely, many people won't touch it if the VFS is a core feature that can't be turned off. Which is why it should be offered as an extension module for those who want it. That keeps everyone happy.

I am one of the hardcore MO users for years. My only takeaway from NMM is hours and hours of reinstalling trashed games. That said I am going to simply wait and see. Tannin has consistently produced a great Mod tool and has even mentioned a virtual system "Option" or extension. I would like to see community input taken into consideration and given the track record for both Tannin and Robin I feel sure we will.

That said remember, Tannin produced a great product as a hobby, now as a paid project he will have MUCH more in the way of options and help so it can only get better.

Robert

[AlexZander40]

In response to post #43275040.

Sesheenku wrote: Good stuff.

I've been avoiding MO since I like to physically see the files in my folder annnnd I was worried I wouldn't be able to edit them in the CK with MO.

I'd love to be able to have the benefits of MO while still keeping my files accessible so I can edit them if I feel like it.

Not to mention my animations are not from one mod either, I've taken single files across several mods to use my favorite animations from each mod since some mods have great combat animations but no sprinting with weapons drawn animations that suit my taste.

I've avoided switching since I feared having a virtual install might get in the way of that and of course because I'd have to reinstall everything.

I hope you really will be able to combine all the features.

I suspect the best way to approach it would be allow the user to possibly turn on and off any and all features as well as during the first installation an option to choose NMM simple interface or MO complex interface as your default.

Although, I'm sure you've already thought of that.

I was late getting around to using MO for Skyrim. It's been great. You can physically see the files in your Skyrim folder if you installed MO there. It's under a different path though. Mod Organizer>Mods

And you can access the files just fine. I manually, and also through MO, mess around with the mod files all the time, can't help myself. I combined and edit files from mods with no problem. Making sure to have backups of course. And you can run Creation Kit, Wrye Bash and TESVEdit through MO just fine.

[Rebel47]

In response to post #43224730. #43229715, #43231195, #43231225, #43234520, #43237900, #43238095, #43248580, #43248780, #43256345, #43256845, #43258870, #43261500, #43262515, #43262825, #43264055, #43264355, #43265250, #43265975, #43266150, #43268550, #43270650, #43271300, #43272015, #43274835 are all replies on the same post.

fgambler wrote: What will be the name of the new app? NMO (Nexus Mod Organizer)? :D

Tannin42 wrote: Suggestions are welcome... :D

GuardianAngel42 wrote: NNMM: New Nexus Mod Manager.

renthal311 wrote: hahaha Fgambler, I'm with tears in his eyes :D :D

pStyl3 wrote: NexMO = Nexus Mod Organizer

HadToRegister wrote: I like what someone previously suggested but without the 'x'

NeMO = Nexus Mod Organizer

Thallassa wrote: I think NeMO is the best one I've heard, but I'm still partial to "NOMM" (not quite sure how that acronym works out but it's cute).

fgambler wrote: NeMO kinda sounds nice but not so serious, it's a name either attached to a fish or a nintendo 8-bit game :P

HadToRegister wrote: I was thinking of a famous Submarine Captain from a book by Jules Verne ;)

FreeWare wrote: How about NMM v2.0? Or 1.0 could work too. The name doesn't really need to change, it's already as good as it can be.

spartanops101 wrote: NMUMMMO - Nexus Mod's Ultimate Mod Manager and Mod Organiser

}{ellKnight wrote: Voting for NeMO.

Optionally include images of sushi.

Warsadle wrote: NMO = Nexus Mod Organiser is a straight foreword combination of the names, okay.

NNMM = New Nexus Mod Manager, too many repeated letters in the acronym to be used as a short hand name.

NexMO = Nexus Mod Organiser, good name and it rolls of the tong easy.

NeMO = Nexus Mod Organiser, also a good name, and the acronym is good.

NOMM = Up to readers interpretation of how the acronym works, mine would be
Nexus Organising Mod Manager, funny name though!

What I would use?

Mod Library Organiser (MLO (pronunciation: EM-Low))

hex77x wrote: Gaming Extras Tool Designed As Totally Awesome Stuff Stuffer.

KeltecRFB wrote: I like NOMM, NexMO, NMO, or NEXT (no acronym, simply means the NEXT Nexus Mod Manager).

northtreker wrote: Nemo could also reference Ulysses (Odysseus) calling himself Nemo - nobody (Outis) to fool the cyclops and show that the Gods had looked away from him in the Illiad.

It sounds like this new organizer has gone on a long journey to come home.

pedantic wrote: MOLE - Mod organiser legendary edition.

Edit: Avogadro Number, anyone? Not to mention burrowing :D

chrislm wrote: NUMM: Nexus Ultimate Mod Manager

HadToRegister wrote:

pedantic

Edit: Avogadro Number, anyone? Not to mention burrowing

Not to be confused with Avocado's Number which shows the number of atoms in a guacamole

pedantic wrote: @HadToRegister

Lol - yeah. I was simply referring to the " chemistry " of the thing, plus a HUGE number! All encompassing. :D

KensaiTonada wrote: I'm Digging NeMO and NEXMO

wagonborn wrote: Nexus Mod Organizer seems fitting, and it can be read like "en-moe" when abbreviated to NMO, which I think is pretty snazzy

Poacher886 wrote: How about MODIT

CyniclyPink wrote: I'm liking NeMO and NexMO

GeneralNutt wrote: +NMO

But call it rotten fish, just as long as it's ready to handle what ever comes out on OCT28, as well as MO did!

Also, please please keep the virtual directories, that is a god send.

I can't currently think of any of my own that would befit such a tool that hasn't already been posted up here, so instead for now until my brain kicks in, I'm going to give a solid acronym for Thallassa's idea.

N.O.M.M = Nexus Official Mod Manager

Everytime I see NeMO though I think of a fish, I'm not sure I could take the mod manager seriously with a name like that :D

[vimebox]

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fgambler wrote: What will be the name of the new app? NMO (Nexus Mod Organizer)? :D

Tannin42 wrote: Suggestions are welcome... :D

GuardianAngel42 wrote: NNMM: New Nexus Mod Manager.

renthal311 wrote: hahaha Fgambler, I'm with tears in his eyes :D :D

pStyl3 wrote: NexMO = Nexus Mod Organizer

HadToRegister wrote: I like what someone previously suggested but without the 'x'

NeMO = Nexus Mod Organizer

Thallassa wrote: I think NeMO is the best one I've heard, but I'm still partial to "NOMM" (not quite sure how that acronym works out but it's cute).

fgambler wrote: NeMO kinda sounds nice but not so serious, it's a name either attached to a fish or a nintendo 8-bit game :P

HadToRegister wrote: I was thinking of a famous Submarine Captain from a book by Jules Verne ;)

FreeWare wrote: How about NMM v2.0? Or 1.0 could work too. The name doesn't really need to change, it's already as good as it can be.

spartanops101 wrote: NMUMMMO - Nexus Mod's Ultimate Mod Manager and Mod Organiser

}{ellKnight wrote: Voting for NeMO.

Optionally include images of sushi.

Warsadle wrote: NMO = Nexus Mod Organiser is a straight foreword combination of the names, okay.

NNMM = New Nexus Mod Manager, too many repeated letters in the acronym to be used as a short hand name.

NexMO = Nexus Mod Organiser, good name and it rolls of the tong easy.

NeMO = Nexus Mod Organiser, also a good name, and the acronym is good.

NOMM = Up to readers interpretation of how the acronym works, mine would be
Nexus Organising Mod Manager, funny name though!

What I would use?

Mod Library Organiser (MLO (pronunciation: EM-Low))

hex77x wrote: Gaming Extras Tool Designed As Totally Awesome Stuff Stuffer.

KeltecRFB wrote: I like NOMM, NexMO, NMO, or NEXT (no acronym, simply means the NEXT Nexus Mod Manager).

northtreker wrote: Nemo could also reference Ulysses (Odysseus) calling himself Nemo - nobody (Outis) to fool the cyclops and show that the Gods had looked away from him in the Illiad.

It sounds like this new organizer has gone on a long journey to come home.

pedantic wrote: MOLE - Mod organiser legendary edition.

Edit: Avogadro Number, anyone? Not to mention burrowing :D

chrislm wrote: NUMM: Nexus Ultimate Mod Manager

HadToRegister wrote:

pedantic

Edit: Avogadro Number, anyone? Not to mention burrowing

Not to be confused with Avocado's Number which shows the number of atoms in a guacamole

pedantic wrote: @HadToRegister

Lol - yeah. I was simply referring to the " chemistry " of the thing, plus a HUGE number! All encompassing. :D

KensaiTonada wrote: I'm Digging NeMO and NEXMO

wagonborn wrote: Nexus Mod Organizer seems fitting, and it can be read like "en-moe" when abbreviated to NMO, which I think is pretty snazzy

Poacher886 wrote: How about MODIT

CyniclyPink wrote: I'm liking NeMO and NexMO

GeneralNutt wrote: +NMO

But call it rotten fish, just as long as it's ready to handle what ever comes out on OCT28, as well as MO did!

Also, please please keep the virtual directories, that is a god send.

Rebel47 wrote: I can't currently think of any of my own that would befit such a tool that hasn't already been posted up here, so instead for now until my brain kicks in, I'm going to give a solid acronym for Thallassa's idea.

N.O.M.M = Nexus Official Mod Manager

Everytime I see NeMO though I think of a fish, I'm not sure I could take the mod manager seriously with a name like that :D

NEMO is the best name I think :)

[Exoclyps]

In response to post #43256435. #43259165 is also a reply to the same post.

Qrygg wrote: I would argue that MO is indeed much more popular, and even perhaps more widely used than NMM as far as Skyrim/FO4 modding goes. Most of the time I downloaded directly from the MO Github, which wouldn't appear on any Nexus traffic counter.

I have to say, other than jumping through hoops to get MO to function properly due to various bugs and whatnot, MO is NOT more complicated to use than NMM. In fact, I find it simpler. Install, download and install your mods, check the box, play the game. Couldn't be simpler. In addition, your install folder doesn't get messed up, and you don't have to periodically re-install the game because of uninstalling mods that replaced key game components.

NMMs current "vfs" is nowhere near what we enjoy with MO. Hardlinks? Really? An imperfect "patch," if that.

Looking forward to seeing the new and improved MO 3.0! Er, I mean... NMM... (nah, it's really MO 3.0)

Dark0ne wrote:

I would argue that MO is indeed much more popular, and even perhaps more widely used than NMM as far as Skyrim/FO4 modding goes.

More people login to NMM to download Skyrim mods each month than have downloaded MO through the entire course of its life on the Nexus. MO is indeed popular, especially with the active users in the community who actually comment (but who represent a small fraction of the total user base of the site). But the majority are still using NMM.

While I understand you said you download MO through GitHub and therefore your download stats won't have been added to the Nexus (although, if you downloaded MO at least once from the Nexus, it will have been counted), I'd wager that there are more people who use NMM without logging in each month (whose stats, likewise, wouldn't be counted) than there are people who download MO from GitHub rather than through the Nexus, so it balances that discrepancy out.

This doesn't negate what else you've said in your post. It just seems to be a common myth that MO is more widely used than NMM, which simply isn't true.

It's most probably not, as you say, more widely used. The main reason I'd like to argue is that quite frankly people do not know about MO. You got NMM as an easy to access link at the top while you have to kind of know about MO's existence beforehand to use it. This means most new users will end up using NMM in their first go.

And since different users wants different options what I'd love to see is an option, like a switch that goes "Turn On vfs" that uses the MO's system. This would give both sides the option to use what they like.

[MrJoseCuervo]

I think you are making a mistake joining a group who is eager to bend a knee to the corporate beast that had attempted and continue to seek to destroy our modding community.

 

I for one am sad this happened but hope you have sufficiently legally protected yourself and your intellectual property.

 

 

 

 

[Qrygg]

In response to post #43256435. #43259165, #43278925 are all replies on the same post.

Qrygg wrote: I would argue that MO is indeed much more popular, and even perhaps more widely used than NMM as far as Skyrim/FO4 modding goes. Most of the time I downloaded directly from the MO Github, which wouldn't appear on any Nexus traffic counter.

I have to say, other than jumping through hoops to get MO to function properly due to various bugs and whatnot, MO is NOT more complicated to use than NMM. In fact, I find it simpler. Install, download and install your mods, check the box, play the game. Couldn't be simpler. In addition, your install folder doesn't get messed up, and you don't have to periodically re-install the game because of uninstalling mods that replaced key game components.

NMMs current "vfs" is nowhere near what we enjoy with MO. Hardlinks? Really? An imperfect "patch," if that.

Looking forward to seeing the new and improved MO 3.0! Er, I mean... NMM... (nah, it's really MO 3.0)

Dark0ne wrote:

I would argue that MO is indeed much more popular, and even perhaps more widely used than NMM as far as Skyrim/FO4 modding goes.

More people login to NMM to download Skyrim mods each month than have downloaded MO through the entire course of its life on the Nexus. MO is indeed popular, especially with the active users in the community who actually comment (but who represent a small fraction of the total user base of the site). But the majority are still using NMM.

While I understand you said you download MO through GitHub and therefore your download stats won't have been added to the Nexus (although, if you downloaded MO at least once from the Nexus, it will have been counted), I'd wager that there are more people who use NMM without logging in each month (whose stats, likewise, wouldn't be counted) than there are people who download MO from GitHub rather than through the Nexus, so it balances that discrepancy out.

This doesn't negate what else you've said in your post. It just seems to be a common myth that MO is more widely used than NMM, which simply isn't true.

Exoclyps wrote: It's most probably not, as you say, more widely used. The main reason I'd like to argue is that quite frankly people do not know about MO. You got NMM as an easy to access link at the top while you have to kind of know about MO's existence beforehand to use it. This means most new users will end up using NMM in their first go.

And since different users wants different options what I'd love to see is an option, like a switch that goes "Turn On vfs" that uses the MO's system. This would give both sides the option to use what they like.

I stand corrected, re-reading the OP I see now that you already stated this. Somehow I must have skipped over it. Apologies.

A switch or something along those lines is exactly what we need. I dislike it when people say that something needs to be one thing or the other. Why not both? Unless there is a technical reason, of course.

[Qrygg]

In response to post #43279135.

MrJoseCuervo wrote: I think you are making a mistake joining a group who is eager to bend a knee to the corporate beast that had attempted and continue to seek to destroy our modding community.

I for one am sad this happened but hope you have sufficiently legally protected yourself and your intellectual property.

Not sure what you are referring to?

[MrJoseCuervo]

In response to post #43268200. #43275535, #43275985 are all replies on the same post.

OnyxSix wrote: If this doesn't end up having MO's virtual file system(Not a butchered, broken version, the exact vfs that MO has) then this will go unused by me no matter how many bells and whistles you strap to it.

Might be fine for a good chunk of people, and that's ok, but it won't be for me. I'd honestly rather stick to an alpha version of Mod Organizer than use a mod manager without that VFS again, it was just too good of a feature to go back to not using.


Yes I'm aware my opinion isn't worth the dirt on most people's boots but I'm sharing it either way, just to get it out there into the void.

I wish you all the best regardless, hope it turns out well.

Arthmoor wrote: And conversely, many people won't touch it if the VFS is a core feature that can't be turned off. Which is why it should be offered as an extension module for those who want it. That keeps everyone happy.

rdunlap wrote: I am one of the hardcore MO users for years. My only takeaway from NMM is hours and hours of reinstalling trashed games. That said I am going to simply wait and see. Tannin has consistently produced a great Mod tool and has even mentioned a virtual system "Option" or extension. I would like to see community input taken into consideration and given the track record for both Tannin and Robin I feel sure we will.

That said remember, Tannin produced a great product as a hobby, now as a paid project he will have MUCH more in the way of options and help so it can only get better.

Robert

Exactly NMM has cost me hours destroying my games to the point where reinstall was the only option.

Anyone against the VFS is simply ignorant. Edited October 16, 2016 by MrJoseCuervo