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An update on Vortex development

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the problem doesn't lie on your viewpoints -- instead it's the way you deliver your opinions which caused people to "attack?" you. glimpse back to how you reply such as "go ahead i have time" is an open invitation to criticising you even if you didn't mean it...

i don't support dismissing your opinion even if you aren't a supporter or premium, but we'd refute an opinion if it's more or less unfitting in this case. one year of development isn't even long especially when it's an in-house development, and giving out sneak peeks is completely optional. making/writing your own programme doesn't satisfy any conditions of being one complete software development cycle, so most arguments about you not knowing how a real software engineering works is completely relevant. yes you didn't say anything against tannin, you merely gave too much credits to him instead of the whole development team. to sum up you just thought developing a software is as magical as could be magically done by a single person in a short period of time, moreover when the software itself would involve connection to servers such as app and file server while supporting another dozens of games, then proceed to say that vortex development is delayed due to "unnecessary redesign" while the site owner has already cleared it up by saying those are handled by 2 different development teams...really makes me wonder. Edited by calscks
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you're not wrong because being a supporter/premium or not is irrelevant in terms of voicing out, and it's been a while since i last saw anyone who mutually respect each other when being brought into a "discussion". but it takes two to tango. cyrusmagnus' comment was pointing out that the OP was overlooking the people who used their time to build a community software while still demanding for more, while my point was merely extending his. it's free to voice an opinion, and it's still completely free to discard it too. what really matters is how you voice it, and how one agrees or disagrees with it. in this case, it really takes two to tango and what has caused someone to diss anyone who isn't supporter/premium (but i acknowledge it is a wrong approach).
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There's already an alpha release and test cycle in place. It's even said in the article. Then the release will be public, not for the premium only.
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No cygus wanted to belittle him Edited by michealclark18
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If a person voices their opinion, you don't have to be an a**hole to them Cyrus, because you don't like what they said. It isn't your job, to chew people out.
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> *checks initial commits on github*
> *2013*

MO was closed source initially, then on sourceforge before moving to github.
Development on MO started somewhere beginning of 2011 and at that point the vfs library already existed.
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Yeah! can't wait to see that vortex :). Must be hard to make something suitable for both the light and heavy modders (I'm starting to be part of the second category). It's nice to see that you are taking the time to make something great. Quality over speed should always be the goal!
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@Ethreon
You are irrelevant.

@Dark0ne
I'm sorry if you feel there is lodged stick somewhere. That was not my intention. This will obviously not produce any effect with words only so to show what I'm talking about from start ill give constructive example. You can check for Citra development site. There you can see monthly updates that show major changes to the program. Not all of them are amazingly attractive but they show progress is being made. Things that make people happy to wait for the final version.

Now before i continue lets go to the fact that im being attacked for being impatient with development cycle. I fully understand that software development takes time. I also fully understand that you wont develop something you already have experience with longer then you did before. If Vortex was taking 5 years or more to being done i would seriously doubt Tannin and his knowledge. I do not. There is also full time working on something or working on your spare time. Again things have to be done faster when working full time. That's a fact and not my personal opinion. Then there is complexity and bugs that create development delays. Now you shared information that it is 5 months delayed. If things were perfect we would have Alpha already 3 months ago. Nothing in the world is perfect so delays are also understandable.

Now lets continue with comparison between Citra and Nexus. Citra has monthly updates (ill ignore github with daily updates). Nexus has "Tannin is recruited", "development started", "people being recruited", "Alpha with no ETA" "Check our new web site you will get Vortex info in a week" and "Sorry no info again wait for something in 2 months" notices. Did you really have absolutely nothing to write about Vortex during this months of development? There is absolutely no chance that Tannin didn't produce anything for you to show (This is why i said how can it take so long for him to develop vortex because we are shown nothing at all). Now when you do have something you wont share even a screenshot.
Again im not talking about Tannin here or how long it takes to develop but about nexus and its non existing Vortex promotion. If someone says there is one then look at Citra on how its done.

Site Redesign vs Vortex - ask people what they want more. Other one is side project.

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Good luck with development. Edited by MysteriousGuy
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I appreciate you've changed your tone a bit to be less inflammatory.

Unfortunately, your comparison with Citra is not a fair one. Citra is software that was first released in 2015 and was in development from 2014. Their updates are now for new functionality they are adding to an already released piece of software, rather than talking about things pre-release.

Vortex has not been released as it is not in an Alpha releasable format yet, so anything we talk about is still in a state of flux and possible to change in one way or another. Hence why answering lots of questions and publicly talking about every small part of Vortex would be massively counter-intuitive for us (and a big time sink, time which would be much better spent actually working on Vortex).

If, in three years time, we're not following a more open rhetoric with users in regards to the development of Vortex, then you can compare Citra to Vortex and explain how you'd prefer we handled it.
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