Zanderat Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Agree about purge. "un-deploy" or "purge links" would work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorKaizeld Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 I support "purge links" keeps the meaning but makes the purpose clearer for users. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickysaurus Posted October 13, 2020 Author Share Posted October 13, 2020 Hmm "purge links" may sound good because you know what is meant by links. Deploy doesn't mention links at all (and sometimes there aren't links). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorKaizeld Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 I feel deploy is self explanatory and unlike purge it doesn't really matter if you fully understand it based on typical questions about vortex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dizietemblesssma Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 I wonder if 'Install' implies to some people that they are good to go, that's usually how it is with software. Earlier the word 'unpack' was suggested, perhaps that might not unconciously suggest to new users that they are done.If there is to be a Vortex2.0 will the UI change? Because perhaps while a mod is unpacking/installing there could be a larger banner saying that enableing is needed, and when enabling, a banner saying deploying is needed if autodeploying is turned off. An in your face banner that will make people go looking for the hidden option to turn it off:) Ooh ooh, a wav file playing an 'awooga!' siren! But seriously, the way Vortex works requires that users learn a bit about how the mods for their game work. Is there a first run, click through type of tutorial that can be presented to new users?Deploy is a cromulent word but I have always found the message that deploying is necessary that shows as soon as I purge to be potentially confusing, as that message appears after other actions; perhaps some indication that the game is in a 'purged' state instead? Otherwise a new user might think that deploying after a purge is in fact part of the purge process - if the program is saying it is necessary? diziet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kryten397 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 I tried vortex but prefer MO2 however : no need to mention links or other stuff most users dont care. Install -Unpack to mod staging folder Uninstall -Remove from mod staging folder Deploy -Add to game Purge -Remove from game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HadToRegister Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 What's needed before terms start getting messed with and changed, is a clear, concise, accurate, and in-depth MANUAL that explains everything, with an easy to navigate table of contents that explains the terminology used, procedures etc.Not outdated YouTube videos made for Vortex version 1.0x or what-have-you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kryten397 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Well a detailed manual would be great except you know as well as i do that hardly anyone will read it. You shouldnt need to wade through a manual or watch a video to use a mod manager.It should be simple to use and not introduce confusing and unnecessary terminology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HadToRegister Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Well a detailed manual would be great except you know as well as i do that hardly anyone will read it. You shouldnt need to wade through a manual or watch a video to use a mod manager.It should be simple to use and not introduce confusing and unnecessary terminology. I'm tired of that excuse of "I shouldn't have to...."(Besides you don't even use Vortex.)But, Yes, you should have to RTFM on ANY Software you use. NMM didn't need a manual because it didn't DO anything, it was a gloried File Downloader, that's it.No brains required.Mod managers with more advanced features like MO2, or Vortex, requires a bit of effort on the user's part. I don't see anybody complaining about how they "shouldn't have to" learn how to use the MetaTags in LOOT.MO2 isn't exactly "simple to use, and introduces unnecessary terminology", like the examples you gave for MO2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannin42 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 I'm not a huge fans of manuals myself. Keep in mind that a large number of users are not native english speakers.Any larger chunk of text we write we have to assume that it's not accessible for half the community. "RTFM" basically excludes everyone from foreign countries who's too young or too old to have received good english education or where english isn't the second language you learn at all. That is my personal stance on that, I know it's a problem people from the US or UK have trouble empathizing with - no offense. Imho, as far as possible stuff should explain itself with as few words as possible, manuals or help texts should be considered "Plan B", when we really can't avoid a lengthier explanation. Deploy & Purge however are topics where I'm having trouble seeing how we could simplify it without losing functionality or making it utterly unusable for some games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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