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Ya know, BigBizkit mentioned that they had been working with some mod authors..... However, I note they haven't mentioned any names. Anyone care to hazard a guess? :D

Well, a fair bit of content for various games is going to disappear from here. (or, has, as the case may be) but, Nexus will go on. New authors will come along, upload their stuff here, and here it shall forever remain. There will never be a lack of content here. For the rest of it, some of it is just gone, and some more of it is available elsewhere. The days of Nexus being the central repository for the major mods is over. And they did it to themselves.  Exactly! With this move they were hurting their image and their market value extremly. Because quality of content is very important not quantity. My guess is that Nexus has put all their money on the Quantity horse. The whole push for collections is a push for quantity. In my opinion there will be an insignificant number from the 'collections crowd' who will go on to become noteworthy mod authors. The old adage about horses and barn doors does come to mind. Exactly. Even if Nexus changed their minds today, and elected to honor mod authors rights, the damage is already done. Those that have left will NOT be coming back, regardless of any promises from Nexus. More than a decade of Trust got flushed down the toilet.

What? Are you ... kidding? I posted that yesterday XD ... "Posted Yesterday, 10:39 AM" I swear some of you will try and argue about anything lol. Oh look, the pot is calling the kettle black! What was the original topic of this thread? It seems to have fallen by the wayside, MANY pages ago.

There is no crap, that is how copyright works. It's why people who break copyright don't instantly go to jail nor are they fined. Instead it entirely depends on the copyright holder on whether or not they want to pursue it. For example, technically even making mods is against copyright and the only reason you can do it is because the company explicitly allows it, or they see the value in it and don't want to limit it. The same is true of fan art. It's technically against copyright but the copyright holder understands that there isn't any harm in allowing it as it's often just fans being fans. It's not good PR to be overly aggressive in things like that which is why Nintendo for example gets so much flack in that regard by it's fans. Saying "The law is the law" is just ignoring how it actually works. No, you are full of crap. The law is indeed the law, whether or not copyright holders choose to exercise their rights. It is the copyright holders decision entirely. Also, No, most game companies that make moddable games, explicitly grant you the right to mod them. Hence, NOT illegal.

I would expect that a fair number of authors that were contacted, abandoned those email addresses long ago. I would be interesting to see how many bounced messages Nexus got when they sent the notification. :) I would expect that of the 70,000 and some mod authors here, less than 30% of them are still active. That's still a LOT of folks uploading though.

Well, a fair bit of content for various games is going to disappear from here. (or, has, as the case may be) but, Nexus will go on. New authors will come along, upload their stuff here, and here it shall forever remain. There will never be a lack of content here. For the rest of it, some of it is just gone, and some more of it is available elsewhere. The days of Nexus being the central repository for the major mods is over. And they did it to themselves.

Mod Authors aren't upset about COLLECTIONS, they are upset because the ability to delete our Mods was removed, and three days AFTER they made the change to Deletions we were told about it. That's it, in a nutshell You forgot the ability to opt out of collections if that is the mod author's choice. It was first put out, you are all in or you are all out. That was changed to you can delete some mods as long as it is done before Aug.5, 2021. After that date you have no choice, you are all in. The opt out option was never on the table. Nexus simply wasn't going to go there. That would pretty much defeat the entire purpose of collections. They explained their reasoning in a news post.

A non paying member can still use it, they just have to click on every download. So, expect a thread complaining about having to click on every download to appear, there were enough threads from nonpaying members complaining about having that download screen pop-up before a downlead Not to mention all the folks that got up in arms simply because they had to create an account to download anything at all...

10 out of 139 for Fallout 4 for me, including a couple that I REALLY like. The authors linked alternate sources in their profiles though.

10 out of 139 for Fallout 4 for me, including a couple that I REALLY like. The authors linked alternate sources in their profiles though.

What games do you want to play? Where are you at, and how much do you want to spend?

I suspect you would have to check each one individually.... Which for some, can be quite a long list. :D We will never know just how many authors have left over this, or how many files have been removed. Nexus staff will know, but, I highly doubt they will tell us.....

That's because theft is theft, the difference simply doesn't matter at all. I UNDERSTAND the difference just fine, I just don't see it as legally justifiable. This isn't a self defense homicide case after all. There is no situation in which someone can claim the piracy of someone else's content was justified. That YOU don't see THIS distinction is frankly very disturbing and I'd be utterly unsurprised at this point if you're on the Nexus payroll. Morrowwind modding history did the same thing when a couple hosting sites announced they were shutting down. And sure, while it is not technically legal, I would much prefer that SOMEONE kept those files available, rather than having them simply disappear into the mists of time. Several authors have come along and thanked them for doing so, some others have come along and requested their mods be removed, and they were. The rest either don't know, or don't care.....

I find it very impressive that after 113 pages in the thread you still haven't understood that technically there isn't a single logically understandable reason why you shouldn't be able to delete mods for the implementation of the Collection System. If anything this is a corporate policy decision, but certainly not something that needs to be implemented for the greater good of all. It's clear that some people here suffer from extreme veteran entitlement around here so this will be my last post here. It's pretty obvious that a certain number of people can't see past their own noses. They can't understand how having a mod list that is stable and guaranteed to work with older and tested versions of mods is paramount to the success of any collection system. It's like saying that people should all be using test branches of software instead of stable versions because the test versions have extra features but might break everything. I can understand the frustration of having some privileges/rights that you used to have suddenly taken away from you, but I find "very impressive" how after 113 pages you still can't see how this will greatly improve the system's functionality for everyone else. Keep being you. The gifs were entertaining. Nobody really cares :D Wabbajack, and autmatron have been doing the exact same thing for a couple years now, WITHOUT depriving mod authors of rights. It is up to the LIST AUTHOR to keep them up to date. Why anyone would want a collection with outdated (and possibly buggy) mod in it, is a question I don't have an answer for.

I find it very impressive that after 113 pages in the thread you still haven't understood that technically there isn't a single logically understandable reason why you shouldn't be able to delete mods for the implementation of the Collection System. If anything this is a corporate policy decision, but certainly not something that needs to be implemented for the greater good of all. Well, maybe not 'all'..... But, nexus will certainly profit from it, users will benefit from it, it will make mod list authors lives easier, as all they need to do is set up their collection, upload the file, and they never have to touch it again, even if every mod in it gets updated....... Mod Authors? I don't see any benefit for them at all. They lose the ability to delete outdated, possibly buggy mods. If those mods are included in collections.... well, you get an outdated, or buggy collection. How is that a benefit to anyone??

Not alienating your content providers would probably be a good idea....... If you can't see that, then you need to wake up.

Trouble is, Nexus has recently made a few decisions that seriously eroded that trust with the very people that provide the content. Not a smart move.

When you contribute to an open source project, it is with the understanding that you have no ownership in anything you contribute, and that it is all essentially in the public domain. That has never been the case with mods. In fact, the licensing agreements that come with some game's modding kits specifically state that the author of any mod created with such kit owns the IP rights to their creations. Perhaps you've not noticed this, but every mod uploaded to Nexus has a list of specific permissions the author may set to their liking. Authors may elect to allow their works to be used with or without permission, with or without attribution, and there are other settings as well. You might have already seen some collections of textures, armors, weapons, etc., created by someone who simply pulled together a lot of individual items that had been created by various other authors - with their permission. That, along with the ability to delete files has been the tradition here at the Nexus. And the management here has traditionally been very supportive of authors' rights. These new policies are a significant departure. I fully understand that. I also fully understand why they want to change that and only time will tell if it was a good or bad decision. I just don't like when people list everything like it's all doom and gloom like that guy saying that something becoming more popular/mainstream brings no benefits at all only negatives.. There are reasons why they are doing this in such a way and I agree with their reasons. Nobody here is right or wrong, we'll have to see what happens. Nexus is doing this for ONE reason. Money. The 'one-button-install' will only work for premium members. More traffic equals more dollars from advertising. Etc. Mod authors will get essentially zero benefit from this. Donation points are worth .001 dollar. No one is ever going to be able to 'make a living' from downloads here. Just not gonna happen. The decision was wrong. The implementation was outright horrid. "collections" have been a thing for a couple years now. WITHOUT keeping other peoples work, regardless of their feelings about it. If a mod in a list disappeared, it was up to the LIST AUTHOR to deal with it. Why that is suddenly seen as an imposition on list authors here at nexus, is beyond me.

I put some weight on what processor I am running as well. Nvidia just seem to play nicer with intel chips. :D

The Bethesda ToS for the Construction set, (and the EULA) specifically state that mod authors OWN their work. There is no ambiguity there at all. As a matter of fact, I would challenge you to come up with a couple games that DON'T grant ownership to the author. Sure, they can't SELL it, but, they STILL OWN IT. You didn't read what I said did you? Because I literally said the same thing you just did. And this is how I know some of you just run on emotions and don't bother to read anything. Edit: Here .. I enlarged it substantially for you. I specifically mentioned that as a counter-point to what you were claiming. I don't bother reading thru your complete word salads any more, as you are basically stating the same thing over and over again, maybe in a slightly different way. And where are the examples of game companies that DON'T grant ownership of mods to their authors? I note you didn't answer that part.

Not many folks like Donny as a person. In fact, I don't think I could name even one. :)

In truth, legally this is how most mods typically work, at least as far as I remember. When you make a mod for a game, you usually don't have ownership of it unless the mod in question doesn't use any tool or assets from the game in question. Meaning if you posted it, even if the site allowed you to delete it ... legally anyone could repost it. But most sites would still typically be against that just out of respect for the mod author. BGS games in particular are a bit more on the unique side due to their ToS, where BGS does allow mod authors to retain ownership, course with caveats like you can't sell it. I will say though, I do agree modding works best when it's done in a manner where it's more open source, a contribution to a community rather than ... "I own this, it's mine ... I decide if you can have it or not". But I mean ... it is what it is. As you can see, plenty of people feel that way, and it's not like they are wrong to do so. It's their right, even if I personally don't agree. The Bethesda ToS for the Construction set, (and the EULA) specifically state that mod authors OWN their work. There is no ambiguity there at all. As a matter of fact, I would challenge you to come up with a couple games that DON'T grant ownership to the author. Sure, they can't SELL it, but, they STILL OWN IT.

I thought so too. :D Also, being able to load your list from a local drive...... Storage space is dirt cheap after all. :D (for those that can install another HDD/SSD in any event.)

They'll just do what current Mod List makers do, and start a patreon. One that's makes an "Adult" mod list makes around $189/mo from subscribers. (And before the usual trolls jump in, I KNOW the mod lists can't be paywalled,, there's no need to jump in here and try and correct the hell out of me, for something that doesn't need correcting, so calm yourselves) A selection of mod authors also have patreons.... Nothin' new there either.

Currently, anyone can include any mod in a 'collection'. The various authors have no say in it at all. (and this is already happening via wabbajack, so, not like its something new.) Your second example though, would be considered a 'derivative work', and the author DOES have some say in that. List curators won't be paid. Not like an employee at any rate. They will be similar to mod authors, in that they author a list, and upload that, which the tool (vortex) can then install the mods in that list, and to some users game. Nexus take on it is to remove the right of mod authors to delete their mods, so that a collection will 'always work'..... Assuming it worked from the get-go. :)