Simple manual load ordering plz

[HadToRegister]

So, if I do a poll "Which feature do you want, Mass Effect 3 support or direct drag&drop ordering for bethesda games" and put it up in a Mass Effect 3 forum you will accept the result?

 

 

And you know that would be the most rigged, dishonest poll, that was set up to get the result YOU wanted.

 

That's like doing a poll

"Have you stopped beating your wife yet?

1. YES... 2. NO

[HeyYou]

 

Right, so, you will continue to argue with 'people like me', wasting yet more time. How long do you propose to do that? How much more time are you going to waste?

However long I feel like.

 

I notice that 'conducting a poll' has been mentioned several times in this thread, I also note that none of the devs have bothered to do so.

So, if I do a poll "Which feature do you want, Mass Effect 3 support or direct drag&drop ordering for bethesda games" and put it up in a Mass Effect 3 forum you will accept the result?

 

(to be fair, neither have any of the users either.)

Would be pointless anyway.

 

What justification is there for the hours spent in useless finger exercise?

The only justification I need: I felt like it. What justification do you have for judging how I spend my time?

 

If you continue to argue the point, do you think you are going to convince anyone

I don't have to convince anyone, you have to convince me. Unless you want to spend the time on the feature, but I wouldn't actually mind that...

 

Please excuse me for not reading thru 14 pages of history here, to get your 'answers'.

 

Nope, sorry. You don't get to ignore the existing discussion, start it from the beginning and then complain I'm wasting time answering you...

 

Ah, ok, so your position remains: I am right, you are wrong. Noted.

 

Yes, there seems to be a very odd misconception here. Tannin doesn't work for you, he doesn't need to justify himself to you. The only person he needs to justify himself to is me, as I'm the one who pays him. He posts in this thread like any mod author might post on their mod's comments when misconceptions are being spread, I've not told him to stop posting, and he's perfectly within his rights to do so. I tell him if I want him to stop posting here, not you.

 

HeyYou, you haven't even downloaded Vortex or tried to use it yet. Neither have several of the other people talking in this thread. You're here because you heard that Vortex has "no manual drag and drop ordering of the load order" and you want to argue about it.

 

Ultimately, we're well aware that Vortex is not going to convince a minority of users in this community who are well entrenched in their ways, and who think their way is the best and only way. There are people posting in this thread who would never change from their current method of modding the game. We know that. There's not much we can do about that other than release as much help and documentation as possible when the time comes, explain our reasons and let the users of Vortex who appreciate it, do the talking for us. There's not a single thing that Tannin could say right now to convince some people in this very conversation that his method is a good change. Tannin knows that, I know that. But he's still here talking because he wants to be. And I'm not going to stop him.

No, I haven't downloaded it, nor will I, as it doesn't support features that I want. And yes, he works for you. If you want to pay him to essentially continue to kick at the greasy spot, that used to be the dead horse, that is your prerogative.

[Zanderat]

 

So, I am convinced. I recognized myself as one of the stubborn ones Dark0ne was referring to... LOL! I agree that LOOT as constituted works quite well.

 

But isn't the easiest solution to simply turn off auto sorting in Vortex? Then, I would imagine you could use external LOOT to sort and then WB to manually order your exceptions?

 

In which case the question is: Why use Vortex? Afterall, I can use BAIN to install my mods, no?

 

Same argument could be made for WB vs. NMM vs. MO2 vs. Vortex. Choose what works best for you.

[UrizenDe]

Choose what works best for you.

Always have. Always will. Right now, Vortex does everything I need a Mod manager to do ( No Robin I don´t have downloaded Vortex yet, but I don´t need to to know that ), read download and install mods, resolve file conflicts on a per mod basis and sort mods into a workable LO. Plus side, thanks to rules, where needed I get a consistent "conflict" resolution, i.e. always load "Rich Skyrim Merchants" after the bashed patch, when I start swapping mods in and out. Doesn´t mean however that down the line this will always be the case. Just like I like having Regedit to make edits to the registry when the need arises, I´d like to have the ability to completely override loot and do things by hand. I am content however to wait for a plugin that does that.

[HadToRegister]

The only person he needs to justify himself to is me, as I'm the one who pays him.

 

You're paying him to argue...

 

However long I feel like.

[Tannin42]

 

 

 

And you know that would be the most rigged, dishonest poll, that was set up to get the result YOU wanted.

 

That's like doing a poll

"Have you stopped beating your wife yet?

1. YES... 2. NO

 

 

Well, that was the point...

If you make a poll about whether people want direct drag&drop ordering yes/no that's also a rigged poll. It's like asking "should I make a cake?" Every person on the planet would be either "yes, because I want a piece" or "what do I care, I won't eat any anyway?", no one has a reason to say no.

You'd be hiding the fact that something else get sacrificed for it. And since there will be features among the sacrificed that make Vortex useful to new user groups to begin with (like support for more games) those people wouldn't participate in the poll, they wouldn't know about it or that it's relevant to them.

 

I've been saying this before: There is no way to make a poll about this that wouldn't be skewed towards a certain result, that's why a poll in this case would be pointless.

To get a proper poll you'd have to point out what gets delayed and what gets sacrificed to make it possible and then ensure all affected groups are fairly represented in the poll and that's just not possible even if we did have a feature plan that allows us to predict that precisely what falls "over the horizon" if we add this - we don't even know where the horizon is.

 

You're paying him to argue...

 

 

May I just point out that I don't work for robin 24 hours and I don't stop existing outside the hours I'm being paid for? This very post cost Nexus nothing.

Just trying to avoid any rumors here where Tannin spends the whole day arguing instead of working on Vortex...

[AugustaCalidia]

After fifteen pages and several months of discussion about manual load ordering and Vortex, it seems to me further discussion is pointless. Tannin has explained his position and the reasons for it in great detail; the Drag & Drop group have done the same for their position. The discussion has now reached a point where no new information and insights are being presented. To Tannin supporters I say, "Go and enjoy Vortex in the knowledge that Tannin has come up with a novel and very efficient way of managing load order." To Drag & Drop supporters I say, "Go and enjoy those mod managers that allow you to manage and micromanage load order to your heart's content." In the world of mods and modding, there is room for both groups. There is no need to continue discussing and sometimes arguing and fighting about this.

[UrizenDe]

After fifteen pages and several months of discussion about manual load ordering and Vortex, it seems to me further discussion is pointless. Tannin has explained his position and the reasons for it in great detail; the Drag & Drop group have done the same for their position. The discussion has now reached a point where no new information and insights are being presented. To Tannin supporters I say, "Go and enjoy Vortex in the knowledge that Tannin has come up with a novel and very efficient way of managing load order." To Drag & Drop supporters I say, "Go and enjoy those mod managers that allow you to manage and micromanage load order to your hearts content." In the world of mods and modding, there is room for both groups. There is no need to continue discussing and sometimes arguing and fighting about this.

 

Too reasonable. Here, have a pitchfork. :devil:

[Dark0ne]

 

 

Right, so, you will continue to argue with 'people like me', wasting yet more time. How long do you propose to do that? How much more time are you going to waste?

However long I feel like.

 

I notice that 'conducting a poll' has been mentioned several times in this thread, I also note that none of the devs have bothered to do so.

So, if I do a poll "Which feature do you want, Mass Effect 3 support or direct drag&drop ordering for bethesda games" and put it up in a Mass Effect 3 forum you will accept the result?

 

(to be fair, neither have any of the users either.)

Would be pointless anyway.

 

What justification is there for the hours spent in useless finger exercise?

The only justification I need: I felt like it. What justification do you have for judging how I spend my time?

 

If you continue to argue the point, do you think you are going to convince anyone

I don't have to convince anyone, you have to convince me. Unless you want to spend the time on the feature, but I wouldn't actually mind that...

 

Please excuse me for not reading thru 14 pages of history here, to get your 'answers'.

 

Nope, sorry. You don't get to ignore the existing discussion, start it from the beginning and then complain I'm wasting time answering you...

 

Ah, ok, so your position remains: I am right, you are wrong. Noted.

 

Yes, there seems to be a very odd misconception here. Tannin doesn't work for you, he doesn't need to justify himself to you. The only person he needs to justify himself to is me, as I'm the one who pays him. He posts in this thread like any mod author might post on their mod's comments when misconceptions are being spread, I've not told him to stop posting, and he's perfectly within his rights to do so. I tell him if I want him to stop posting here, not you.

 

HeyYou, you haven't even downloaded Vortex or tried to use it yet. Neither have several of the other people talking in this thread. You're here because you heard that Vortex has "no manual drag and drop ordering of the load order" and you want to argue about it.

 

Ultimately, we're well aware that Vortex is not going to convince a minority of users in this community who are well entrenched in their ways, and who think their way is the best and only way. There are people posting in this thread who would never change from their current method of modding the game. We know that. There's not much we can do about that other than release as much help and documentation as possible when the time comes, explain our reasons and let the users of Vortex who appreciate it, do the talking for us. There's not a single thing that Tannin could say right now to convince some people in this very conversation that his method is a good change. Tannin knows that, I know that. But he's still here talking because he wants to be. And I'm not going to stop him.

No, I haven't downloaded it, nor will I, as it doesn't support features that I want. And yes, he works for you. If you want to pay him to essentially continue to kick at the greasy spot, that used to be the dead horse, that is your prerogative.

 

 

Christ, this is a new level of petty for you. It reflects poorly.

 

If you're going to question why Vortex has or has not got something when the question has already been asked and responded to (because you're too lazy to read through the thread), then question whether the creator should be "wasting his time" answering your repeated questions when you (and others) are the ones repeating them then, honestly, I don't even know what the hell you're doing here. Just leave. If it gets any more petty, I'll simply remove your posts.

[Jebbalon]

 

There's not much we can do about that other than release as much help and documentation as possible when the time comes, explain our reasons and let the users of Vortex who appreciate it, do the talking for us.

@Dark0ne , @Tannin and @Gopher if he happens to read this...

How is it going on that documentation ?

As I said in my last post (not responded to) that is best way to make this argument go away. Educate us. Or is that just not that important at this stage?